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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    I think this is a false ditchonomy, a flawed question. There are mvies, music, games, and programs that are available for free legally, and some that aren't. This generalization blanket excludes this fact.
    I think the question is asking whether it should be illegal to download movies/music/etc. that are not intended to be downloaded legally.

    Also, "Intellectual Property" is actually a relatively modern concept, even so the founding fathers did NOT believe it should last forever, as it would eventually need to go back to society to enrich culture freely, hence why such extentions of copyright to last over a century are, IMO, bull****.
    As quoted above, from the Constitution:

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
    That's intellectual property.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Copyright law is a civil matter, not a criminal one. Uploading or downloading copyrighted materials without permission is NOT a crime. However, you may face lawsuits for breach of copyright and pay damages. Certain places do have criminal charges for copyright violations, but that depends on the region and is confined purely to large-scale commercial pirating (like the stuff you buy from street vendors) not getting stuff from the internet.
    I agree that it should be a civil matter and not criminal.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The pirate bay case is completely different. All the pirate bay does is point links to places where you can download material. They do not actually infringe on anybodies copyrights. They are being charged with "making available" copyrighted materials , which is a bogus charge that is not a crime in Sweden. Only after the Swedish justice minister is involved with American recordings interests did the only charade start. The minister involved should be charged with corruption for putting America business interests over Swedish law.
    Don't you just love the entertainment industry. They refuse to innovate so they use governments to prop up their ****ty business model.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Copyright today is nothing but a corrupt power grab by business, primarily fostered by Disney (as well as Sony, Universal, Time Warner and other content producers). Copyright was included in the constitution
    I would include patents in that mix as well. They are way to long and do not foster competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    In Thomas Jefferson's day, that meant 20 years. Today it is the entire life of the author PLUS 75 more years. Simply put, corporations bought our government to violate the constitution to get a monopoly. There is no way such a long copyright "promotes the arts". The original purpose of copyright was to provide a way for authors to get money, so they could make a living writing books. This would allow our society to produce more literature and music. Today, that entire system is perverted. Artists don't produce more music because they know they can profit from 1 song their entire lives. Corporations are even worse, as they can profit from artists long dead.
    I thought copyright was the life of the author plus 50 years.

    I think that is why the King family sold off all of MLK's papers because the copyright has run out.


    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Finally, copyright is not a property right, it something that violates property rights. It not only provides a government granted monopoly, but it provides restrictions on what citizens can do with their own private property.

    Personally, I think copyright is beneficial to society and should exist, but needs to be severely restricted in scope and duration.
    My primary stink is with the movie industry.

    Music and books I can listen to and read before I purchase it.
    Movies I have to pay for before I know if it is any good or not.
    So I don't, If I like it I'll by the dvd if not they didn't have me as a customer anyway.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think the question is asking whether it should be illegal to download movies/music/etc. that are not intended to be downloaded legally.



    As quoted above, from the Constitution:

    That's intellectual property.
    No, that's COPYRIGHT. The right to copy, rather, the control over use of a work.

    A RIGHT (well, actually, a temporary monopoly), not a PROPERTY.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    No, that's COPYRIGHT. The right to copy, rather, the control over use of a work.

    A RIGHT (well, actually, a temporary monopoly), not a PROPERTY.
    Intellectual property (IP) are legal property rights over creations of the mind, both artistic and commercial, and the corresponding fields of law. Under intellectual property law, owners are granted certain exclusive rights to a variety of intangible assets, such as musical, literary, and artistic works; ideas, discoveries and inventions; and words, phrases, symbols, and designs. Common types of intellectual property include copyrights, trademarks, patents, and trade secrets.
    Intellectual property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Intellectual property is actually one of the things that was most important to the founders, hence its placement in the Constitution.
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    So? I'm not even American. I was talking about common law ideas of property.

    I can accept limited notions of intellectual property, particularly copyright, although it does seem like a bit of a state-created monopoly to me, as long as they are much more limited by now.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Isn't rationalization a great thing. It allows a person to do things they know are wrong and still feel good about themself.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Of course not. Record labels and the motion picture industry using government to enforce an artifical monopoly on the sharing of information is utterly abhorrent to the concept of true property rights. Thank God dinosaurs like the RIAA and MPAA are fighting a losing battle.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The Pirate Bay Goes To Court







    The Pirate Bay is about to go on trial over file sharing and supposed copyright infringement.

    Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    The Pirate Bay Goes To Court | What Are The Consequences If The BitTorrent Tracker Loses?
    Of course it should be illegal. Sharing copyrighted works purposefully or unintentionally to millions of unknown people is a violation of fair use. It is facilitating stealing. Those that download such works are stealing, plain and simple.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Isn't rationalization a great thing. It allows a person to do things they know are wrong and still feel good about themself.
    Ignorance is even better; it allows you to see what isn't there and spout off semi-intelligently without actual rational basis to do so.

    Of course it should be illegal. Sharing copyrighted works purposefully or unintentionally to millions of unknown people is a violation of fair use.
    Actually, it is only done so if against the will of copyright holders. Thereare copyrighted movies/songs/etc shared legally you know.



    It is stealing, plain and simple.
    Explain how, as I challenged to others with this mindset. WHAT are you stealing, how does it fit into the rational confines of stealing/theft. (my first post in this topic poses the challenge better.)
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Of course not. Record labels and the motion picture industry using government to enforce an artifical monopoly on the sharing of information is utterly abhorrent to the concept of true property rights. Thank God dinosaurs like the RIAA and MPAA are fighting a losing battle.
    Companies aren't stopping the sharing of information anymore than a store stops you. You can't walk into a store and steal "Windows" off the shelf without facing penalties. Just because the information isn't in a physical form doesn't mean its OK to steal it from others.
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