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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    I'm too lazy to illegally download stuff.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is why I said it is supported by the monopolization of cable companies. Under monopolization development stagnates.

    As for bandwidth capping, this is due both to the technological limitations of the current infrastructure, but it will also be used in the near future as an anti-piracy mechanism. We are already starting to see the shift of the anti-piracy movement towards ISP's with the RIAA.
    Yes we are, because the ISPs see it as an easy way NOT to spend money on making their infrastructure better. It is called a cartel in other industries.. and a criminal conspiracy frankly. But no matter how you spin it, it is a lack of willingness and greed by the ISPs to hide behind laws so not to do their jobs.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Remember two things
    The consumer pays for everything.
    Stealing wrecks mankind.
    Some do not even know the definition of stealing; much less right and wrong....

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Many musicians now make most of their money from concert tours rather than from record sales. This is different than when concerts were promotional to sell records. We've all seen the rise in concert prices. And the popular bands are making huge amounts of profit from touring.
    Metallica for example has sold some 100 million records, but I figure most of their income comes from their constantly sold out stadium tours they have done for the past decades. 50.000 people watching their concert must bring in a good amount of money.

    100 concers a year in their best years with most of them being 25.000+++ attendences is sure a heck of a good way to make money. And at best Metallica toured for 5 straight years, sold out everywhere, mostly stadium performances, some special performances as big as 500.000 people(Mexico)..

    So yeah, I agree with you, many artists make most of their money from tours. But then again you have a hell of a lot of smaller artists that I figure makes most of their money from CD and single sales.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is why I said it is supported by the monopolization of cable companies. Under monopolization development stagnates.

    As for bandwidth capping, this is due both to the technological limitations of the current infrastructure, but it will also be used in the near future as an anti-piracy mechanism. We are already starting to see the shift of the anti-piracy movement towards ISP's with the RIAA.
    I think that ISPs HAVE to allow downloads of illegal content or else they loose most of their customers, this especially because there are not alternatives to illegal downloads.. Who the heck wants a 20mbit line just to surf their internet browser?
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    I believe it is wrong.

    Correction; I know it is wrong.

    As far as I am concerned, anybody who tries to justify their actions are displaying the criminal thought process.

    Yet downloading, as far as I know, is not illegal.
    It is only illegal if you make those programs/music available for others to download.
    That is when you are violating the law.



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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    In some sense it is at odds with the general common law idea of private property. Private property is about scarce items, these laws are about monopolies.

    On the other hand I can see the practical benefit, certainly in th near-term. I'd advise keeping copyright and such but limiting them far more than they are now.
    Intellectual property is actually one of the things that was most important to the founders, hence its placement in the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Who cares, when the model they use is outdated and backwards they deserve to be stolen from.

    Thats like a bank who keeps its money outside on the street in a box, because it cannot afford a safe, or didnt think of it.. I blame the bank then not the people for taking that money.

    If I choose to run my store in a way that you think is outdated or backwards, it doesn't give you the right to steal from me. If I have a great product that everyone wants, but only leave my store open from 2-4pm on tuesdays, you don't have the right to break in and steal that product at 6pm on a Friday because you think I should be open then.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Copyright law is a civil matter, not a criminal one. Uploading or downloading copyrighted materials without permission is NOT a crime. However, you may face lawsuits for breach of copyright and pay damages. Certain places do have criminal charges for copyright violations, but that depends on the region and is confined purely to large-scale commercial pirating (like the stuff you buy from street vendors) not getting stuff from the internet.

    The pirate bay case is completely different. All the pirate bay does is point links to places where you can download material. They do not actually infringe on anybodies copyrights. They are being charged with "making available" copyrighted materials , which is a bogus charge that is not a crime in Sweden. Only after the Swedish justice minister is involved with American recordings interests did the only charade start. The minister involved should be charged with corruption for putting America business interests over Swedish law.

    Copyright today is nothing but a corrupt power grab by business, primarily fostered by Disney (as well as Sony, Universal, Time Warner and other content producers). Copyright was included in the constitution
    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
    In Thomas Jefferson's day, that meant 20 years. Today it is the entire life of the author PLUS 75 more years. Simply put, corporations bought our government to violate the constitution to get a monopoly. There is no way such a long copyright "promotes the arts". The original purpose of copyright was to provide a way for authors to get money, so they could make a living writing books. This would allow our society to produce more literature and music. Today, that entire system is perverted. Artists don't produce more music because they know they can profit from 1 song their entire lives. Corporations are even worse, as they can profit from artists long dead.

    Finally, copyright is not a property right, it something that violates property rights. It not only provides a government granted monopoly, but it provides restrictions on what citizens can do with their own private property.

    Personally, I think copyright is beneficial to society and should exist, but needs to be severely restricted in scope and duration.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    The European Union has a proposal up right now to extend the copyright from something just below 50 years to about 100 years.

    All across Europe.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    I think this is a false ditchonomy, a flawed question. There are mvies, music, games, and programs that are available for free legally, and some that aren't. This generalization blanket excludes this fact.

    Also, "Intellectual Property" is actually a relatively modern concept, even so the founding fathers did NOT believe it should last forever, as it would eventually need to go back to society to enrich culture freely, hence why such extentions of copyright to last over a century are, IMO, bull****.


    And to those who say it is stealing: I contest this point just on a logical basis. In order to steal from somebody you need to take something away form them unlawfully from them, it seems to be a keystone when we are taught this conept a a child, and it seems to be a bit of a keystone in the legal defining of theft.

    So then, what are you stealing from them that they had but no longer have? (I dismiss "profits" because they are only theoretical, and a capitalist society, while it should allow equal chance to try and make money, shows time and again that going in there feeling entitled to profit (entitlement sentiment hypocricy?) usually leads to backfire.)
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