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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    I think downloading should be illegal, but as far as I know, at the current time, it is not.Only distributing it or making it available for others to download is.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    None of this whining about how "unfair" and "backwards" the movie industry is holds to the fact that people who pirate films are stealing from the people who own them and distributing them against the owners' will.

    So yes, if you download, you're participating in a crime, and no amount of righteous self-justification will change that.
    No one is justifying anything. All we are saying is that the methods of distribution that the movie, tv and music industries are using are contributing to their own problem in a major way and hence it is a bit hard for anyone to have sympathy with them. If a fat man complains he has blocked attires and blames the donut producer, do you have sympathy for his claims?

    Hence I have very little respect to an industry that does not evolve with the technology while whining that everyone is out to get them. I also have very little respect to the complaints when the industry mandated distribution "standards" or rather limitations are directly make the problem worse for them, and they do not have the brains to see so. Look at my example of the movie "The day the earth stood still". Releasing a DVD in a region that is known for its pirates months before releasing it in the US, is just.... stupid.

    The 3 industries have refused to accept that the times are not in the 1990s any more and we have this thing called the Internet and it is a great way to distribute information of any kind, very fast and efficient and that especially the younger generation does not want to wait weeks, months or years for something when they know that the distribution system is there to give it to them near instantly. And the worst part, is that the industries are in the situation because of greed and stupidity.. look at the DVD region system.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Who cares, when the model they use is outdated and backwards they deserve to be stolen from.

    Thats like a bank who keeps its money outside on the street in a box, because it cannot afford a safe, or didnt think of it.. I blame the bank then not the people for taking that money.
    Do you also think it is OK to walk into a store and shoplift because they do not have someone in every asle to watch you?

    Stealing music, movies, or software is no different than stealing anything else. If you do it you are a thief.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Many musicians now make most of their money from concert tours rather than from record sales. This is different than when concerts were promotional to sell records. We've all seen the rise in concert prices. And the popular bands are making huge amounts of profit from touring.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Many musicians now make most of their money from concert tours rather than from record sales. This is different than when concerts were promotional to sell records. We've all seen the rise in concert prices. And the popular bands are making huge amounts of profit from touring.
    Musicians made most of their money from touring before downloading.

    It's the record companies that are losing out here.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    I download plenty of stuff, and I also buy plenty of stuff. If it weren't for me downloading what I do, I wouldn't BUY what I do. I watch a movie before I buy a movie. I watch a TV show before I buy a TV show. And if I miss a show, I'm sure as **** not going to wait for 2 years before it comes out on DVD. I download a game before I buy a game. I download new songs someone directs me to before I buy a CD of that band/musician.

    So, if they stop me from downloading, they are most certainly going to lose money.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    It should not be illegal, although I am realistic and realize that that will probably never happen. What could happen is that businesses can legalize the free distribution of their product while still making money off it (Hulu, for example, which is a product of NBC).

    Of course, this is an interesting question because it is a rare case where technology has already surpassed the distribution conditions of capitalist society, thereby making capitalism basically obsolete (in this market, at least). So what we will see in the future are attempts to appropriate this technology and to control it as well. Appropriation in the form of Hulu as an example (and Netflix, as another); control in the form of bandwidth capping and limiting bandwidth technology in general (in the US, which is one of the slowest countries in the world in terms of DL/UL rates, this is supported by monopolization of cable companies).

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    #93 Music Piracy Stuff White People Like

    White people have always been renowned for having ridiculously large music collections. So when file sharing gave white people a chance to acquire all the music they ever wanted, it felt as though it was an earned right and not a privilege.

    When (not if) you see a white male with a full iPod, ask him if all of his music is legal. If he does not immediately launch into a diatribe about his right to pirate music, you might have to nudge him a bit by saying “do you think that’s right?” The response will be immediate and uniform.

    He will likely rattle off statistics about how most musicians don’t make any money from albums, it all comes from touring and merchandise. So by attending shows, he is able to support the musicians while simultaneously striking a blow against multinational corporations. He will proceed to walk you through the process of how record labels are set up to reward the corporation and fundamentally rob the artist of their rights, royalties and creativity. Prepare to hear the name Steve Albini a lot.

    Advanced white people will also talk about how their constant downloading of music makes them an expert who can properly recommend bands to friends and co-workers, thus increasing revenues and exposure. So in fact, their “illegal” activities are the new lifeblood of the industry.

    When they have finished talking, you must choose your next words wisely. It is considered rude to point out the simple fact that they are still getting music for free. Instead you should say: “Wow, I never thought of it like that. You know a lot about the music industry. What bands are you listening to right now? Who is good?”

    This sentence serves two functions: it helps to reassure the white person that they are your local “music expert,” something they prize. Also, it lets them feel as though they have convinced you that their activities are part of a greater social cause and not simple piracy.

    If you bring up this issue with white person who says “nah bro, I don’t give a ****, Dave Matthews has enough money as it is.” You are likely dealing with wrong kind of white person.

    In the even more rare situation where someone says “it’s all paid for, and it’s all transferred from vinyl.” You have found an expert level white person and must treat the situation carefully.

    Because of the availability of music online, a very strict social hierarchy has been created within white culture whereby someone with a large MP3 collection is considered “normal,” a large CD collection is considered to be “better,” and a person with a large vinyl collection is recognized as “elite.”

    These elite white people abhor the fact that music piracy has made their B-sides, live performances, and bootlegs available to the masses. Their entire life’s work has been stripped of its rarity in terms of both object and sound on the record. The best thing you can say to them is: “vinyl still sounds better.”

    However, it is recommended that you do not let this conversation drag much longer. If you let them continue talking to you they are likely to spend hours talking to you about bands you’ve never heard of and providing you with a weekly mix CD of rarities that you do not want.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It should not be illegal, although I am realistic and realize that that will probably never happen. What could happen is that businesses can legalize the free distribution of their product while still making money off it (Hulu, for example, which is a product of NBC).

    Of course, this is an interesting question because it is a rare case where technology has already surpassed the distribution conditions of capitalist society, thereby making capitalism basically obsolete (in this market, at least). So what we will see in the future are attempts to appropriate this technology and to control it as well. Appropriation in the form of Hulu as an example (and Netflix, as another); control in the form of bandwidth capping and limiting bandwidth technology in general (in the US, which is one of the slowest countries in the world in terms of DL/UL rates, this is supported by monopolization of cable companies).
    Bandwidth limiting technology is not because of pirate downloading or online video content, but because of lack of investment in infrastructure by the major telecommunication companies. It is not a shocker that the countries that early on in the 1980s started to invest heavily in fiber optics technology are the ones that do not limit download amounts and have the highest bandwidths in the industrialized world, and those countries that did not, are starting to have download limitations and where bandwidth issues are common.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Bandwidth limiting technology is not because of pirate downloading or online video content, but because of lack of investment in infrastructure by the major telecommunication companies.
    This is why I said it is supported by the monopolization of cable companies. Under monopolization development stagnates.

    As for bandwidth capping, this is due both to the technological limitations of the current infrastructure, but it will also be used in the near future as an anti-piracy mechanism. We are already starting to see the shift of the anti-piracy movement towards ISP's with the RIAA.

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