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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    What the music industry doesn't understand is that they're ****ing douchebags and I delight ripping them off and hope some day they'll become irrelevant.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What, so as soon as the first copy is sold, that's it? That's utterly asinine.
    If another is able to more efficiently produce and market a product, then the original developer deserves to lose market share. That's how markets work. Reward success, punish failure.

    "Criminal" is a matter of law. You know, that thing you said I couldn't "appeal" to?
    As in what law? The government's law?

    And what "property rights" of yours are "stifled" by not allowing you to copy and distribute the songs on the CD you bought?
    I just explained this a few pages ago.

    If I own a CD with songs that I purchased, and I choose to copy it onto a disc that I own using a computer that I own and then share that copy in a private voluntary exchange, I am exercising my private property rights. What the fraud that is "intellectual property" does is allow others to dictate to me what I can do with my own property. The very concept of IP is anathema to property rights.

    Nothing says you can't sell the CD itself. If your argument is that you bought a physical object, then that's all you bought, and that's all you have the right to sell.
    But I own the CD as much as the original producer did before he sold it to me.


    Are you saying the state is always wrong?
    The state is inherently wrong since it is a parasitic entity that eats away at freedom.

    Any enforcement of property rights of any kind comes from force.
    That is not the issue. The issue is whether property rights exist in this case in the first place. In the case of IP, they do not, thus it is not a legitimate justification for the use of force.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Here's the obvious problem with stealing music:

    Music has been priced exorbitantly highly AND everyone hates the music industry.
    Opinion.

    I can't think of a single band that I listen to that I'm not absolutely sure would be cool with me stealing their music.
    Opinion. Which would become fact if those bands allowed you to download their music straight from them i.e. their website or gave their CDs out for free. And if they don't then they're obviously not cool with you stealing it.

    Of course the corporate bags of douche, the ruiners of music, the destroyers of integrity and the rapists of talent would undoubtedly bemoan me denying their precious whorepay.
    Opinion.

    So what I do is create categories.
    This should be good.

    The first category is "**** music that I feel no problem with dling for free", this is crappy pop singles. I'm not going to give the corporate douchebag that's responsible for "single ladies" a cent. I'm embarrassed to admit it I do possesses it but there's now way I'm going to PAY for it.

    The second category is "established bands that would be cool with it anyway." I just can't imagine Henry Rollins being pissed with me for dling the discography of Black Flag, and if he is he's a hypocrite and a poseur.

    Bringing us to the third category "new bands I want to support". I buy their CDs at shows.
    Download from those you want to support. Steal from those you don't. I guess I should steal from Best Buy and buy cheaply at mom & pops tech stores(they exist). The problem with your argument is that in the end you want it all by paying the least amount possible. Would you also steal bottle water if you don't feel it's worth the $1.25? I mean why not? You shouldn't have to pay for water that basically comes out of the tap. Your argument is full of holes and riddled in hypocrisy.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Here are some good books to start off dealing specifically with these issues.

    Against Intellectual Property

    Against Intellectual Monopoly

    Available online for free of course:

    Against Intellectual Property (PDF)

    Against Intellectual Monopoly



    Also some good links here and here.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Here are some good books to start off dealing specifically with these issues.

    Against Intellectual Property

    Against Intellectual Monopoly

    Available online for free of course:

    Against Intellectual Property (PDF)

    Against Intellectual Monopoly



    Also some good links here and here.
    Funny. A book called 'Against Intellectual Property' being sold.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    First of all a lot of good bands are providing their albums for free now. The problem is that most of the music I listen to is from the 80s, when record labels were in an extraordinarily powerful position. Do you think the guys in Bad Brains wanted to be on some record label? Of course not, but the technology hadn't come around yet to let them circumvent the label system. Now it has, but all the work of older bands are still controlled by the scum bags.

    Again, all the bands I listen to would be cool with me ripping off their former corporate tyrants. Would Gangsta G the ****ty top 40 rapper? No, but he's completely **** and deserves to be punished for ruining pop culture.

    The difference between stealing a bottle of water and stealing an album is that the album has basically already been stolen by a gang of scruple-less thieves, I'm just stealing it back.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Funny. A book called 'Against Intellectual Property' being sold.
    And this is funny how? Paper, ink, and printer usage aren't free.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Here are some good books to start off dealing specifically with these issues.

    Against Intellectual Property

    Against Intellectual Monopoly

    Available online for free of course:

    Against Intellectual Property (PDF)

    Against Intellectual Monopoly



    Also some good links here and here.
    The Ludwig von Mises Institute.

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    Hang in there. man - it will make sense at some point.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    First of all a lot of good bands are providing their albums for free now.
    Great for them. Others are not. Explain to me why you should be allowed to illegally download those of the ones that don't offer it for free.

    The problem is that most of the music I listen to is from the 80s, when record labels were in an extraordinarily powerful position. Do you think the guys in Bad Brains wanted to be on some record label? Of course not, but the technology hadn't come around yet to let them circumvent the label system. Now it has, but all the work of older bands are still controlled by the scum bags.
    Sucks for them if they signed a contract where they gave the rights to their music away. Nobody forced them to and all you're doing is crying about how your favorite artists ****ed up their own careers to the point where 20 years after the end of the 80s they still aren't making any real money from their music.

    Again, all the bands I listen to would be cool with me ripping off their former corporate tyrants.
    O.P.I.N.I.O.N.

    Would Gangsta G the ****ty top 40 rapper? No, but he's completely **** and deserves to be punished for ruining pop culture.
    More Opinion? NCFY. Please spare me the opinion and come up with a coherent argument as to why you should be allowed to steal the music of artists who don't offer it for free.

    The difference between stealing a bottle of water and stealing an album is that the album has basically already been stolen by a gang of scruple-less thieves, I'm just stealing it back.
    All Opinion.

    Definition of stealing :

    steal - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    1 a: to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully <stole a car> b: to take away by force or unjust means <they've stolen our liberty> c: to take surreptitiously or without permission <steal a kiss> d: to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of <steal the show>
    Those bands you claim to be victims signed legal contracts nobody forced them to sign. They weren't held at gunpoint and told to put their names on the dotted line or get their brains splattered on it. They agreed to become parts of the machine. Whether you think they were forced because otherwise they wouldn't have become as successful is pure opinion. The fact of the matter is that they still did it. It's not like they showed up into a corporate board room and told to start signing papers without reading them. Now cry me a river about how they got screwed for being dust heads.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    The Ludwig von Mises Institute.

    It's clear - you're a confused college kid.

    Hang in there. man - it will make sense at some point.
    No, I'm afraid people who lack critical thinking skills and the ability to engage in an intellectual debate will never make sense to me. But go on Cap'n, you are good for a laugh.

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