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Where do the soul goes after death ?

Where do the soul goes after death ?

  • It goes to God > Judgement > Heaven or Hell

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • It don't goes anywhere, It stays on earth

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It goes to the "Nowhere"

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It goes to Disneyland

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • I don't believe in soul

    Votes: 11 45.8%

  • Total voters
    24
It appears that there are a variety of believes I didn't expected, I should have added the "other" option.

Ya I chose not to vote because of lack of draw to any one option.
 
Where does the soul go?
Contemplate it.
But don't base your life on it.

Basing on hell and heaven gives me a push to leave sins and act good, as Iam trying to do that as much as I can. Everyone has his own thinkings according to his background on what is good and what is bad, so we see terrorists blowing themselves thinking that its a good thing, and he is going to heaven with that. But looking to the facts, will change (hopefully) their background about whats good and what is bad.

Excuse me If I'd went "Off Topic" :mrgreen:
 
Basing on hell and heaven gives me a push to leave sins and act good, as Iam trying to do that as much as I can. Everyone has his own thinkings according to his background on what is good and what is bad, so we see terrorists blowing themselves thinking that its a good thing, and he is going to heaven with that. But looking to the facts, will change (hopefully) their background about whats good and what is bad.

Excuse me If I'd went "Off Topic" :mrgreen:
I think one who martyrs themselves in self destruction is not a martyr. A true martyr would allow the ones that went them dead no hold over them. They would give no one a reason to chose hate. A martyr is when you understand that someone is going to kill you and put yourself in a situation to let them kill you and give them proof they are wrong and to try and change what is wrong with the core of the matter.

Someone who blows themselves up must truly sees their target as 100% evil and must think it is the only way to change things. By taking out what is the greatest detriment. But that is not the way to change things. That is the way to ensure greater hate is brought into the situation.

I am most comfortable in the thought of "The only reason I am here is because something more powerful than me wanted something to love and share existence." I would not fear the Father of all Truth for, surely he would know that I mean no harm and want to accept only love.
And if in the end I meet him and him demands fear of me. I rather spend the rest of my time in hell anyways. But I doubt the Father is one to be feared unless you are incapable of true love.

I think if you never understand it you will probably need to face the trail again until you do.

Or that's how I would want it if I had a choice.
 
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It's hardly a one-trick-pony, it's a little concept called... oh... REALITY!

Maybe you ought to try it out sometime. :roll:

No, it's called you being a lame, one-dimensional, close-minded ignoramus who is so arrogant that you somehow believe your interpretation of reality constitutes the end-all be-all of existence.

I'm not the slightest bit religious. I'm simply knowledgeable and open-minded enough to know that I cannot claim to have mastered reality or that I am an authority on it. You're just a bitter child who has deluded themselves into believing they have things figured out. You're just as lost as the rest of us...
 
The atheists don't.

One thing that I find very interesting is how through time every group on earth somehow believe in a God no matter how removed and isolated they are from the rest of the world in language and geography. Every single culture believes in a higher spirit or god.....

Even though I personally believe the universe is full of life...
I cannot rule out the possibility of there being a god because life had to start somehow...
 
One thing that I find very interesting is how through time every group on earth somehow believe in a God no matter how removed and isolated they are from the rest of the world in language and geography. Every single culture believes in a higher spirit or god.....

Even though I personally believe the universe is full of life...
I cannot rule out the possibility of there being a god because life had to start somehow...

Just look to nature. Everything has something that we would consider "above" it that always comprehends a little more than it. And it moves up all the way to what we think is us. And we are the shepherds of it all. Ants are shepherds to aphids. Things are shepherds to things unseen in nature. Complex organisms to micro. And the other way around. But some never know it.

Logic would dictate that on SOME level the same applies to us. And we live with it in relation to what we know. Nature is one of the only infallible truths.
This is God to everyone on any level. Whether their god is extreme or lightly known to them.
 
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First let me preface by saying this is all a hypothesis but I think that souls are the energy of life. I don't know if you believe in G-d, but it is my belief that all "spiritual energy" or "Souls" are part of a great lifeforce on earth. That energy goes into every living thing. I think that's why Hindus believe in reincarnation (that's why I do). It also could be some people believe in past lives or ghosts (emotions from this spiritual energy manifest in memories or hauntings). I think that if this theory were true than people never truly "DIE" but are recycled throughout existance and only the body ceases to exist. But with the body goes the conscienceness, thus no vibrant memory of "past lives". But the "soul" lives on and on. At least that's the theory. What about you? Any theories?

There are astrophysicists that actually entertain the thought of energy based life forms existing in the universe...

with the realm of 8-12 billion (estimated age of the universe) years of evolution possible anything is on the list of possibilities....

perhaps souls are energy based life forms that use an organic based lifeform as a host?
 
There are astrophysicists that actually entertain the thought of energy based life forms existing in the universe...

with the realm of 8-12 billion (estimated age of the universe) years of evolution possible anything is on the list of possibilities....

perhaps souls are energy based life forms that use an organic based lifeform as a host?

I love that thought! And the only way we will ever know from our point of view is if we evolve through technology to monitor 100% of the realm of light. Monitor every single separated and most basic form of light as it hits one by one. Then compile the data from their. Or unless it somehow chooses to communicate with us and we receive it.
 
Boy this is not going to be much fun without the aid of some kind of CDS.

Anyhow I always separate this into two parts. One is what I think in a logical way, and two is what I believe.

See what you think can include what you have been taught, or have learned to believe over time, but what you actually believe is what you feel in your heart or soul that is of a more personal nature.

What I think is first.

Lets start out with accepting that everything we see, hear, touch, feel, taste etc is part of our basic human senses that we all normally have and understand. Then consider that most everything we sense with these talents is a form of energy. The warmth of a dogs hair, the red light at the intersection, a horn blowing are all forms of energy that our senses are able to read or understand.

Being that this is a short list of accepted human senses etc it would seem obvious that there are many other forms of energy that our senses can not detect, or our brains be able to process.

Some look to ESP and similar extended senses, others speak of intuition, while even others discuss phsysic powers etc. but the point is that there are many senses we not not have or know how to use, and therefore a potential for there to be many forms of energy we have no way of seeing or understanding.

Since we can not even fully understand or sense the things around us I find it difficult to agree with the close minded thinking of "if I can not see our touch it then it can not be real" even though this seems the simple way out.

I am sure we have all seen either on TV or personally things that can not be explained. The shows today on hunting ghosts that show us visions and sounds that were not picked up while people were in the room, but were obvious with video or sound recording. Even those times when objects move with no reason, and can not be pinpointed by science.

Knowing this is would not make sense to discount the idea of their being other sources of energy that we just can not detect or begin to understand, and there is also no acceptable reason that this could include a spirit, soul, or even a supreme being that was a creator or GOD.

If any of you have ever felt these different sources of energy, or the different potential planes of existance, or even just had a glimpse of one of the other senses we posses it would be an intense experience at the least.

This is getting a bit long, but know for fact that our limited senses are missing as much of what is out there if not actually more, and allowing ourselves to ignore this all in seeking some kind of comfort in the denial of what we can not fully understand to be real is holding us back.


Now for what I believe.

I am believing in a supreme being or God, an after life, a soul spirit or other energy force we do not understand, and also in both heaven and hell.

From investing some time when I was younger (not a lifetime lol) in learning about more than one religion besides what I was taught as a child I have learned that there are as many if not more reasons to believe in a supreme being than not to.

It would seem odd that when man was in his infancy and stretched out across the land that his various religions and thinkings would include certain aspects within most everyone.

Why would so many people of so many different beliefs from so many vastly different places all find they believe that there must be something more to their existance. Also most believe that there was something after death, and just this very consciousness alone would seem to support a GOD And afterlife.

Just consider some of the comments from Ahmed and think about the similarities between Muslims, Christrians, and Jews on many of their beliefs and it starts to like though there are differences etc what were the chances of these very different people believing such similar things.

So yes I do believe in a supreme being aka GOD, and though I can not sense him like a hand burning on a stove I have enough faith and understanding to know there is a higher power out there as well as many others we do not have a clue about at all.

Take a moment and actually read a bible or other religious book of your choice, and see what you find in your head, your heart, and even in your soul.

You may be suprised how much more sense many things can make when you do not demand to believe you are alone because you can not touch something and it requires a different sense that you are purposely repressing.

Really try it..
 
I onced watched a documentary on near death experiences, and only a few have been accurately recorded because the person happened to be hooked up to life monitoring machinery when they died. These people could see their own body and had an accute awareness of everyone's activities in the room, even when they were clinically "dead". In one really interesting a case, a woman who was blind died during surgery, and saw for the first time, but outside of her own body.

In the same show, a quantum theorist speculated that consciousness maybe resides at the quantum level and somehow connects with the physical brain in this way. When the body dies, consciousness can exist in its quantum form via quantum entanglement, but there is no telling how long it would last.

So either the brain has some special abilities that we don't know about which permits this phenomenon to happen, or consciousness can separate from the body, and go... who knows where?
 
I onced watched a documentary on near death experiences, and only a few have been accurately recorded because the person happened to be hooked up to life monitoring machinery when they died. These people could see their own body and had an accute awareness of everyone's activities in the room, even when they were clinically "dead". In one really interesting a case, a woman who was blind died during surgery, and saw for the first time, but outside of her own body.

In the same show, a quantum theorist speculated that consciousness maybe resides at the quantum level and somehow connects with the physical brain in this way. When the body dies, consciousness can exist in its quantum form via quantum entanglement, but there is no telling how long it would last.

So either the brain has some special abilities that we don't know about which permits this phenomenon to happen, or consciousness can separate from the body, and go... who knows where?

Always interesting, Orius. Good stuff.
 
I onced watched a documentary on near death experiences, and only a few have been accurately recorded because the person happened to be hooked up to life monitoring machinery when they died. These people could see their own body and had an accute awareness of everyone's activities in the room, even when they were clinically "dead". In one really interesting a case, a woman who was blind died during surgery, and saw for the first time, but outside of her own body.

In the same show, a quantum theorist speculated that consciousness maybe resides at the quantum level and somehow connects with the physical brain in this way. When the body dies, consciousness can exist in its quantum form via quantum entanglement, but there is no telling how long it would last.

So either the brain has some special abilities that we don't know about which permits this phenomenon to happen, or consciousness can separate from the body, and go... who knows where?

Intresting, but I think that all the "Back from Death" situations aren't like that, I think we must call them : "Inconsciousness" ..
 
Intresting, but I think that all the "Back from Death" situations aren't like that, I think we must call them : "Inconsciousness" ..

The times I feel the most myself... Is when I feel I have no body at all. It takes a long time of sitting down and thinking about not thinking about anything, to not feel your body though. It is hard to be only thought. But exhilarating for the brief moments when accomplished. So exhilarating it makes my heart beat so much I start to comprehend my body again. And get sad.
 
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Boy this is not going to be much fun without the aid of some kind of CDS.

Anyhow I always separate this into two parts. One is what I think in a logical way, and two is what I believe.

See what you think can include what you have been taught, or have learned to believe over time, but what you actually believe is what you feel in your heart or soul that is of a more personal nature.

What I think is first.

Lets start out with accepting that everything we see, hear, touch, feel, taste etc is part of our basic human senses that we all normally have and understand. Then consider that most everything we sense with these talents is a form of energy. The warmth of a dogs hair, the red light at the intersection, a horn blowing are all forms of energy that our senses are able to read or understand.

Being that this is a short list of accepted human senses etc it would seem obvious that there are many other forms of energy that our senses can not detect, or our brains be able to process.

Some look to ESP and similar extended senses, others speak of intuition, while even others discuss phsysic powers etc. but the point is that there are many senses we not not have or know how to use, and therefore a potential for there to be many forms of energy we have no way of seeing or understanding.

Since we can not even fully understand or sense the things around us I find it difficult to agree with the close minded thinking of "if I can not see our touch it then it can not be real" even though this seems the simple way out.

I am sure we have all seen either on TV or personally things that can not be explained. The shows today on hunting ghosts that show us visions and sounds that were not picked up while people were in the room, but were obvious with video or sound recording. Even those times when objects move with no reason, and can not be pinpointed by science.

Knowing this is would not make sense to discount the idea of their being other sources of energy that we just can not detect or begin to understand, and there is also no acceptable reason that this could include a spirit, soul, or even a supreme being that was a creator or GOD.

If any of you have ever felt these different sources of energy, or the different potential planes of existance, or even just had a glimpse of one of the other senses we posses it would be an intense experience at the least.

This is getting a bit long, but know for fact that our limited senses are missing as much of what is out there if not actually more, and allowing ourselves to ignore this all in seeking some kind of comfort in the denial of what we can not fully understand to be real is holding us back.


Now for what I believe.

I am believing in a supreme being or God, an after life, a soul spirit or other energy force we do not understand, and also in both heaven and hell.

From investing some time when I was younger (not a lifetime lol) in learning about more than one religion besides what I was taught as a child I have learned that there are as many if not more reasons to believe in a supreme being than not to.

It would seem odd that when man was in his infancy and stretched out across the land that his various religions and thinkings would include certain aspects within most everyone.

Why would so many people of so many different beliefs from so many vastly different places all find they believe that there must be something more to their existance. Also most believe that there was something after death, and just this very consciousness alone would seem to support a GOD And afterlife.

Just consider some of the comments from Ahmed and think about the similarities between Muslims, Christrians, and Jews on many of their beliefs and it starts to like though there are differences etc what were the chances of these very different people believing such similar things.

So yes I do believe in a supreme being aka GOD, and though I can not sense him like a hand burning on a stove I have enough faith and understanding to know there is a higher power out there as well as many others we do not have a clue about at all.

Take a moment and actually read a bible or other religious book of your choice, and see what you find in your head, your heart, and even in your soul.

You may be suprised how much more sense many things can make when you do not demand to believe you are alone because you can not touch something and it requires a different sense that you are purposely repressing.

Really try it..

Nice one Lenny, you are a spiritual person just like me, We are not affected by excessive materialism. I do believe in brain's power, and I do believe that we have a Subtle energy, but I do believe the most that we are going back to God with all my respect for all other theories :2wave:
 
The times I feel the most myself... Is when I feel I have no body at all. It takes a long time of sitting down and thinking about not thinking about anything, to not feel your body though. It is hard to be only thought. But exhilarating for the brief moments when accomplished. So exhilarating it makes my heart beat so much I start to comprehend my body again. And get sad.

Dude, you reminds me of that "Invisible Boy" in the "Mystery Men" Movie :rofl
 
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Intresting, but I think that all the "Back from Death" situations aren't like that, I think we must call them : "Inconsciousness" ..

Maybe. I don't know.

One woman in the show from the UK had a huge aneurysm and doctors there basically told her to prepare to die any day. She discovered an experimental surgery in the United States that could repair the damage. The surgery involved completely draining her body's blood while the doctors went inside the brain and repaired the damage. It was a risky procedure and during it she experienced brain death.

When she was out, she watched the doctors performing the procedure from above, and even heard the sounds of the drills. She later described what every medical staff member was doing, and the doctors were amazed by this ability. She also said that she didn't care at all that she was looking at her dead body, and that she felt peace and wanted to move away from it.

Also while she was out, her consciousness floated out of the building, and up towards a light. In it, she said she experienced the confines of her thought process expanding and thinking about complex things became much easier. She was greeted by family members and others she had come across in her life, and felt great love... however, they told her she had to go back.

Her uncle accompanied her and said she had to go back in, but she didn't want to, so he "pushed" her. She woke up from the surgery remembering all of this.

I made no claims about what is real or anything like that, I just thought it was really fascinating to watch. All of the people on the show had a similar experience in terms of the white light and seeing people they loved, and when they returned back to life most of them completely changed their professions and dedicated their lives to helping others.
 
Maybe. I don't know.

One woman in the show from the UK had a huge aneurysm and doctors there basically told her to prepare to die any day. She discovered an experimental surgery in the United States that could repair the damage. The surgery involved completely draining her body's blood while the doctors went inside the brain and repaired the damage. It was a risky procedure and during it she experienced brain death.

When she was out, she watched the doctors performing the procedure from above, and even heard the sounds of the drills. She later described what every medical staff member was doing, and the doctors were amazed by this ability. She also said that she didn't care at all that she was looking at her dead body, and that she felt peace and wanted to move away from it.

Also while she was out, her consciousness floated out of the building, and up towards a light. In it, she said she experienced the confines of her thought process expanding and thinking about complex things became much easier. She was greeted by family members and others she had come across in her life, and felt great love... however, they told her she had to go back.

Her uncle accompanied her and said she had to go back in, but she didn't want to, so he "pushed" her. She woke up from the surgery remembering all of this.

I made no claims about what is real or anything like that, I just thought it was really fascinating to watch. All of the people on the show had a similar experience in terms of the white light and seeing people they loved, and when they returned back to life most of them completely changed their professions and dedicated their lives to helping others.

Almost everyone of us had gone with an experiment, at least while sleeping.
As for me once I was sleeping and I was kind of aware of what surrounds me, At once I felt myself floating, then I heard a very noisy sharp sound, I thought that It might be my end, so I tried hardly to wake my self up by moving any part of my body, finally I woke up, but hadn't recognized what happened.
 
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Almost everyone of us had gone with an experiment, at least while sleeping.
As for me once I was sleeping and I was kind of aware of what surrounds me, At once I felt myself floating, then I heard a very noisy sharp sound, I thought that It might be my end, so I tried hardly to wake my self up by moving any part of my body, finally I woke up, but hadn't recognized what happened.

That has only ever happened to me a couple of times... and it was so minor that I don't think I can claim out of body experience. I was asleep but could see the ceiling of my bedroom (which had a lot of decorations on it), but my eyes were still closed. When I realized what was happening I came to.

Maybe we are insane? :cool:
 
That has only ever happened to me a couple of times... and it was so minor that I don't think I can claim out of body experience. I was asleep but could see the ceiling of my bedroom (which had a lot of decorations on it), but my eyes were still closed. When I realized what was happening I came to.

Maybe we are insane? :cool:

:rofl:rofl
 
Maybe. I don't know.

One woman in the show from the UK had a huge aneurysm and doctors there basically told her to prepare to die any day. She discovered an experimental surgery in the United States that could repair the damage. The surgery involved completely draining her body's blood while the doctors went inside the brain and repaired the damage. It was a risky procedure and during it she experienced brain death.

When she was out, she watched the doctors performing the procedure from above, and even heard the sounds of the drills. She later described what every medical staff member was doing, and the doctors were amazed by this ability. She also said that she didn't care at all that she was looking at her dead body, and that she felt peace and wanted to move away from it.

Also while she was out, her consciousness floated out of the building, and up towards a light. In it, she said she experienced the confines of her thought process expanding and thinking about complex things became much easier. She was greeted by family members and others she had come across in her life, and felt great love... however, they told her she had to go back.

Her uncle accompanied her and said she had to go back in, but she didn't want to, so he "pushed" her. She woke up from the surgery remembering all of this.

I made no claims about what is real or anything like that, I just thought it was really fascinating to watch. All of the people on the show had a similar experience in terms of the white light and seeing people they loved, and when they returned back to life most of them completely changed their professions and dedicated their lives to helping others.
I wonder at what we would be capable of society if we where not bound by chemicals of the brain and laws of earth. To be nothing but our thoughts.
 
I wonder at what we would be capable of society if we where not bound by chemicals of the brain and laws of earth. To be nothing but our thoughts.

We seeks to achieve both of them :mrgreen:
 
Interesting discussion. My response is... I do not know. Intellectually, I simply cannot believe in an all-knowing diety in the sky watching all 6 billion of us earthings and casting judgment about our fate. There are billions of "earth-like" planets in the universe, and I must conclude that there are millions of planets with sentient beings like ourselves... somewhere.

Part of me believes that death is simply the absence of life... a black nothingness that mirrors the unconscious state. However, I have had experiences that perplex me and make me believe that there may be a dimensional "afterlife" that our energy, our unique "mindprint" may encompass after our bodies are dead. So despite my "athesist" leanings, I am nonetheless a spiritual person who believes that there may indeed be something out there after we die, something that we are not evolved enough to understand so must create dieties to convince us that we, as humans, are so special to the universe that our essence cannot possibly be lost after death.

But if my beloved pets are not there, I do not want to be there, for I know that my human-ness in no way elevates me above the goodness and grace of those stoic animals that I have loved in my lifetime. That is where I part from organized religion, the insistance that we, humans, are made in "god's" image and were created to dominate the magnificent creatures of the planet. The "creatures" that I have known and loved have more goodness in a single paw than any human I have known possesses in their entire lives.

I guess in the long run, I perceive that death equals nothingness. I cannot be certain, of course, but I will know soon enough.
 
Interesting discussion. My response is... I do not know. Intellectually, I simply cannot believe in an all-knowing diety in the sky watching all 6 billion of us earthings and casting judgment about our fate. There are billions of "earth-like" planets in the universe, and I must conclude that there are millions of planets with sentient beings like ourselves... somewhere.

Part of me believes that death is simply the absence of life... a black nothingness that mirrors the unconscious state. However, I have had experiences that perplex me and make me believe that there may be a dimensional "afterlife" that our energy, our unique "mindprint" may encompass after our bodies are dead. So despite my "athesist" leanings, I am nonetheless a spiritual person who believes that there may indeed be something out there after we die, something that we are not evolved enough to understand so must create dieties to convince us that we, as humans, are so special to the universe that our essence cannot possibly be lost after death.

But if my beloved pets are not there, I do not want to be there, for I know that my human-ness in no way elevates me above the goodness and grace of those stoic animals that I have loved in my lifetime. That is where I part from organized religion, the insistance that we, humans, are made in "god's" image and were created to dominate the magnificent creatures of the planet. The "creatures" that I have known and loved have more goodness in a single paw than any human I have known possesses in their entire lives.

I guess in the long run, I perceive that death equals nothingness. I cannot be certain, of course, but I will know soon enough.

I hope we see all the ones we loved in the after death :2razz:.
Welcome dianna and thanks for you opinion ;)
 
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