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Do You Believe in Creationism?

Do You Belive In Creationsm?


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Thought I'd get a read on who in this community believes in Creationism which is defined as:

Creationism is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity

Let us know what you believe.
 
evolution is no longer a theory. it's a wildly successful explanation.
 
Yes, I believe in creationism. It is also called "intelligent design".
So you do not believe in evolution? The bible says the Earth is only 9000 years old....so do you think that Dinosaurs are a myth or that they lived with man?

I'm curious as to your beliefs. Thanks!
 
You're conflating a whole bunch of things together here.

There's the belief that the earth was created by god in its current form, fossils and all, 6000 years ago.

There's the belief that the earth was created by god some indeterminate amount of time ago and that god directed evolution.

There's the belief that the earth was created by god some indeterminate amount of time ago and that evolution happened naturally.

There's the belief that the earth came into existence through a non-supernatural event and that everything thereafter happened naturally.

Those are four very distinct beliefs.
 
So you do not believe in evolution? The bible says the Earth is only 9000 years old....so do you think that Dinosaurs are a myth or that they lived with man?

I'm curious as to your beliefs. Thanks!

I dont' think the bible says the earth is 9000 years old. It's obviously millions of years old, perhaps billions. No one knows for sure.
 
I dont' think the bible says the earth is 9000 years old. It's obviously millions of years old, perhaps billions. No one knows for sure.

If by for sure you mean no one can put an exact year on the age of the Earth, you're right. If you mean that we can't make an educated assumption to the approximate age of the Earth you're wrong.
 
If by for sure you mean no one can put an exact year on the age of the Earth, you're right. If you mean that we can't make an educated assumption to the approximate age of the Earth you're wrong.

We can make an educated assumption with our current technology, but no one knows for sure how old the earth is. I'm right.
 
I'm pretty sure it was I who made the World.
 
We can make an educated assumption with our current technology, but no one knows for sure how old the earth is. I'm right.

How old do you think the Earth is, walleye?
 
We can make an educated assumption with our current technology, but no one knows for sure how old the earth is. I'm right.

Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today's accepted age of Earth of 4.55 billion years was determined by C.C. Patterson using uranium-lead isotope dating (specifically lead-lead dating) on several meteorites including the Canyon Diablo meteorite and published in 1956.[25]

Some meteorites are furthermore considered to represent the primitive material from which the accreting solar disk was formed.[26] Some have behaved as closed systems (for some isotopic systems) soon after the solar disk and the planets formed. To date, these assumptions are supported by much scientific observation and repeated isotopic dates, and it is certainly a more robust hypothesis than that which assumes a terrestrial rock has retained its original composition.

Nevertheless, ancient Archaean lead ores of galena have been used to date the formation of Earth as these represent the earliest formed lead-only minerals on the planet and record the earliest homogeneous lead-lead isotope systems on the planet. These have returned age dates of 4.54 billion years with a precision of as little as 1% margin for error.[20]:310–341

Yeah because we can't narrow the age of the earth down to the last second we don't know for sure when it was formed. The God of the Gaps rears it's ugly head again.

Definition of assumption :

assumption - definition of assumption by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

1. The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
2. The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.
3. The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory.
4. Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition: a valid assumption.

5. Presumption; arrogance.
6. Logic A minor premise.

At this point in the life of science. There is little left to 'assume' in the scientific world. If it is not based on data. You have nothing.
 
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I think I can set the matter straight:

First of all, I believe that it is quite possible that the idea that god created the universe and that life evolves can both be true.

I also believe that what the creationists/intelligent design people are saying is that god created things, including life, perfectly and as they are right now. Their position is so untenable it is even hard to define. For example, and on the simplest level, they don't account for change even though change can be seen with the common eye. How can you believe that the design of anything is the only form it has ever been in, if it can be proven empirically that something or some part of a thing has changed.

Intelligent design/creationism, is a false theory, which talks us out of our own eyeballs (senses), to further a political agenda. Namely, if we can destroy science in the name of religion, than we can also destroy bipartisonship and make everyone see things the same way, the Christian Fundamentalist way.
 
I believe that the universe is full of life and discovering it is just another human step...those that disagree are on the same plane as people who thought the world was flat back in the day.

That being said, I still cannot rule out the possibilty of there being a God in some form because life had to start somewhere.

Religion: through human evolution and as man first started to become civilized was the first form of a law. Early laws were inspired by religion and eventually replaced it in some areas of the planet.

That being said, I cannot rule out that religion was somehow inspired by a true God in early times...it is likely that religion was the same world wide in the earliest days of man but through years of changing religion became twisted as seen fit to the liking of many different groups or clicks that formed around the planet

Because of the infinite of the past we will not know for sure unless...

a)God lets it be known (again?)
b)we find out for ourselves in the after-life
c)some aliens visit us and tell us the scoop
 
I think I can set the matter straight:

First of all, I believe that it is quite possible that the idea that god created the universe and that life evolves can both be true.

I also believe that what the creationists/intelligent design people are saying is that god created things, including life, perfectly and as they are right now. Their position is so untenable it is even hard to define. For example, and on the simplest level, they don't account for change even though change can be seen with the common eye. How can you believe that the design of anything is the only form it has ever been in, if it can be proven empirically that something or some part of a thing has changed.

Intelligent design/creationism, is a false theory, which talks us out of our own eyeballs (senses), to further a political agenda. Namely, if we can destroy science in the name of religion, than we can also destroy bipartisonship and make everyone see things the same way, the Christian Fundamentalist way.

How would you label these beliefs:

There's the belief that the earth was created by god some indeterminate amount of time ago and that god directed evolution.

There's the belief that the earth was created by god some indeterminate amount of time ago and that evolution happened naturally.
 
First off, evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive since evolution does not attempt to "explain" how or why life came to be. Merely how it evolved once it DID come to be.

But no, I do not believe in any sort of mythological gods or goddesses blinking "life" into existence.


I had some die hard creationists in my raft once on the New River. They were quite hilarious. Apparently dinosaurs never actually existed. All the fossils were planted by the "devil" to misdirect us. Everything on the planet now is exactly as it was at creation - which according to them was 6000 years ago. (and that's what I've most often been able to determine the bible figuring) And NOTHING existed prior to 6,000 years ago.

So, while we're on this river that has CUT A GORGE through a MOUNTAIN THAT WAS LEVELED BY GLACIERS, I mention volcanoes and oh... I dunno... RIVERS to this group of obviously misguided, but well-meaning souls. They said rivers don't cut through mountains, and volcanoes don't create new land. That the earth - as it is now - is exactly as it was at creation 6000 years ago. Nothing has changed, nothing ever will.

I seriously just sat blinking at their sheer willful ignorance for a few seconds before pointing out a blue heron that landed on an island in the river and trying to divert the conversation to anything BUT their ludicrous notions about creationism. Because I really didn't know how long I'd be able to keep from busting out laughing. I did manage to though, and get a pretty decent tip from them. ;)
 
Read Hatuey's post. Scientific theories are not just assumptions.

I read the post. Am I supposed to believe this is the final word? That's funny. Science has not come to the final word on anything. To think so would be very foolish.

Einstein was probably the greatest mind we have ever known and he believed in intelligent design.
 
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I read the post. Am I supposed to believe this is the final word? That's funny. Science has not come to the final word on anything. To think so would be very foolish.

Einstein was probably the greatest mind we have ever known and he believed in intelligent design.

God of the Gaps in full force here.

Here I'll explain something simple :

- Probability of life on other planets : Assumption based on what may be.

- Age of the Earth : Supported by modern scientific methods and data. The only ones disputing a difference of billions of years are Creationists with God of Gaps.
 
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Einstein was probably the greatest mind we have ever known and he believed in intelligent design.

I don't know of any evidence myself to support that claim, and I've even found several particularly unambiguous quotes* that points to him being an atheist. The ironic thing, however, is that I've also found another quote** of his that suggests he might distance himself from me at the appearance of trying to prop him up as a mascot for an atheist movement. The dude just didn't like the idea of being a member of any ideology.

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It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman

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I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2
 
As I've stated in another thread, you can't disregard what science determines as we progress... regardless of whether it goes against the bible, or anyother 'holy' book for that matter.

That said, let's look at these creation myths for a second first though (I'm talking globally, independant of belief). Now, we can estimate the age of homo sapien as to be roughly 30K years ago. Whether in the beginning of homo sapiens they quickly developed a more verbal language with the help of cave paintings and the like... these were the stories that were most important to pass down into the generations... eventually these became some of the first books to be written as well, so it's clear that these are very important documents, right?

What do all these creation myths have in common?

- They are all stories of 'God(s)' from heavans (or 'return' to heavans)
- They all create man (many of the myths, god creates multiple versions of man before 'perfecting' him)
- Mankind is made to worship the 'gods'
- Many myths tell of Man being 'dumbed down' to prevent him attaining 'godliness'
- ALL include the story of a MASSIVE flood where only those reaching high ground (or built/recieved boats) survived
- Many 'wars involving gods' (some even describing apparent nuclear and biological weaponry and their effects)
- Lost ADVANCED civilizations (Atlantis, Mu, and other variations of the 2)
And so on, you even see very similar symbolism around the world... ofen including serpants, the 'all seeing eye', the 'serpant eating it's own tail', among others.

That said, there are also many 'anomilies' on the earth that can't quite be explained by current science... like egyptian carvings of lightbulbs (that have been recreated as working), the pyramids themselves are enough to write many books about, stonehenge, and countless other artifacts that seemingly pre-date the technological ressources the people of the time had at their disposal... and also, how did man go from hunter-gatherers to pyramiid builders with a full social order in place in a virtual instant?

SO, we should really ask ourselves, are the ancients really just stupid people writing an elaborate myth, or was it mankind experiencing something beyond their understanding and wound up describing it using colourful imagery, and all??

That said :
- Evolution is a natural occurance,
- The earth is a natural formation
- God(s) apparently visited earth and created mankind to worship them and be their slaves
- Something created a massive global flood
Now, before you dispute that point... why would our ancient ancestors lie, or create such an elaborate fiction to be worthy of keeping and protecting for the future generations? Could all these ancient myths be geographical colorations of our ancient history... in other words, is it possible that these 'holy' books are merely an interpretation of 'the history of our pre-history'?

Havng read the bible totally killed religion for me... I was told to believe in god and worship him and all that from birth, untill I read the bible for myself and raised so many questions....
 
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
If I remember correctly Einstein only ever said he believed in God in Spinoza's sense. Someone on this site has a signature quote of him saying just that.

Personally I don't know exactly what makes Einstein's views on religion and theology so interesting.
 
Creationism is a spicific ID theory, and no, I don't believe in it.
 
As far as the OP I can not answer it properly as to me evolution is not a belief or theory. It is a fact.
 
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