View Poll Results: Do You Belive In Creationsm?

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  • Yes I do - The Biblical version

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Thread: Do You Believe in Creationism?

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    You posted about Behe, and so did I. That's really all that happened. Nothing too challenging there to grasp.
    Then you should have responded to the actual person who brought him in.

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    His "theory" of irreducible complexity is a joke. Let me dismantle it for you.

    A lot of body parts that Behe or others claim are irreducibly complex are far from it. Example: The eye. The claim is made that the eye is perfectly designed for sight and is too complex to evolve. Behe has stated that half of an eye would do an earlier lifeform no good. This is false, becuase there are plenty of amphibians that have just enough visions to see shadows and changes in brightness. This allows them to see enough of an environment to escape a predator.

    Another one is wings. Behe has also stated that wings are irreducibly complex. Another false claim. Having an underveloped pair of wings would allow an animal to effectively hanglide(like a flying squirrell) or hover from treetops.
    This has nothing to do with what I said. I understand his premise just fine, you seem to think speculation is fact.

    Both sides do not have enough proof to state either position as fact, period.


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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then you should have responded to the actual person who brought him in.

    This has nothing to do with what I said. I understand his premise just fine, you seem to think speculation is fact.

    Both sides do not have enough proof to state either position as fact, period.
    The FACT that their are animals with 50% of an eye that can only see shadows and differences in brightness proves that the eye is not irreducibly complex.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The FACT that their are animals with 50% of an eye that can only see shadows and differences in brightness proves that the eye is not irreducibly complex.
    Not really as many would say it is complex and that it is indeed a whole eye as it can perceive light.

    Again an educated guess or speculation, not fact.

    PS: that is also one example of many that could be argued ad nauseam as it is not a forgone conclusion at this point scientifically speaking.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not really as many would say it is complex and that it is indeed a whole eye as it can perceive light.

    Again an educated guess or speculation, not fact.
    So then what would the human eye be? If that is considered a whole eye, and it is 50% less effective than ours, what does that make the human eye?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    So then what would the human eye be? If that is considered a whole eye, and it is 50% less effective than ours, what does that make the human eye?
    I don't know, and I don't care. You should ask the people making the claim.


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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    I do not believe in creationism but, the correct counter example should be abiogenesis since both items deal with the origin of life while evolution says nothing about the origin of life.
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