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  • Yes I do - "Intelligent Design" - God created everything

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Einstein was probably the greatest mind we have ever known and he believed in intelligent design.
    I don't know of any evidence myself to support that claim, and I've even found several particularly unambiguous quotes* that points to him being an atheist. The ironic thing, however, is that I've also found another quote** of his that suggests he might distance himself from me at the appearance of trying to prop him up as a mascot for an atheist movement. The dude just didn't like the idea of being a member of any ideology.

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    It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
    - Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman

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    I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.
    - Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    As I've stated in another thread, you can't disregard what science determines as we progress... regardless of whether it goes against the bible, or anyother 'holy' book for that matter.

    That said, let's look at these creation myths for a second first though (I'm talking globally, independant of belief). Now, we can estimate the age of homo sapien as to be roughly 30K years ago. Whether in the beginning of homo sapiens they quickly developed a more verbal language with the help of cave paintings and the like... these were the stories that were most important to pass down into the generations... eventually these became some of the first books to be written as well, so it's clear that these are very important documents, right?

    What do all these creation myths have in common?

    - They are all stories of 'God(s)' from heavans (or 'return' to heavans)
    - They all create man (many of the myths, god creates multiple versions of man before 'perfecting' him)
    - Mankind is made to worship the 'gods'
    - Many myths tell of Man being 'dumbed down' to prevent him attaining 'godliness'
    - ALL include the story of a MASSIVE flood where only those reaching high ground (or built/recieved boats) survived
    - Many 'wars involving gods' (some even describing apparent nuclear and biological weaponry and their effects)
    - Lost ADVANCED civilizations (Atlantis, Mu, and other variations of the 2)
    And so on, you even see very similar symbolism around the world... ofen including serpants, the 'all seeing eye', the 'serpant eating it's own tail', among others.

    That said, there are also many 'anomilies' on the earth that can't quite be explained by current science... like egyptian carvings of lightbulbs (that have been recreated as working), the pyramids themselves are enough to write many books about, stonehenge, and countless other artifacts that seemingly pre-date the technological ressources the people of the time had at their disposal... and also, how did man go from hunter-gatherers to pyramiid builders with a full social order in place in a virtual instant?

    SO, we should really ask ourselves, are the ancients really just stupid people writing an elaborate myth, or was it mankind experiencing something beyond their understanding and wound up describing it using colourful imagery, and all??

    That said :
    - Evolution is a natural occurance,
    - The earth is a natural formation
    - God(s) apparently visited earth and created mankind to worship them and be their slaves
    - Something created a massive global flood
    Now, before you dispute that point... why would our ancient ancestors lie, or create such an elaborate fiction to be worthy of keeping and protecting for the future generations? Could all these ancient myths be geographical colorations of our ancient history... in other words, is it possible that these 'holy' books are merely an interpretation of 'the history of our pre-history'?

    Havng read the bible totally killed religion for me... I was told to believe in god and worship him and all that from birth, untill I read the bible for myself and raised so many questions....

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
    If I remember correctly Einstein only ever said he believed in God in Spinoza's sense. Someone on this site has a signature quote of him saying just that.

    Personally I don't know exactly what makes Einstein's views on religion and theology so interesting.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Creationism is a spicific ID theory, and no, I don't believe in it.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    As far as the OP I can not answer it properly as to me evolution is not a belief or theory. It is a fact.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't know of any evidence myself to support that claim, and I've even found several particularly unambiguous quotes* that points to him being an atheist. The ironic thing, however, is that I've also found another quote** of his that suggests he might distance himself from me at the appearance of trying to prop him up as a mascot for an atheist movement. The dude just didn't like the idea of being a member of any ideology.

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    - Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman

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    - Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2

    He once wrote:
    The religious inclination lies in the dim consciousness that dwells in humans that all nature, including the humans in it, is in no way an accidental game, but a work of lawfulness that there is a fundamental cause of all existence

    In a 1930 essay entitled "What I Believe," Einstein wrote:
    To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man.

    He also made the following statement in an essay entitled "The Religiousness of Science," which appeared in a collection of his essays published in English under the title "The World As I See It":

    "The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation....His religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an INTELLIGENCE of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work, in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles of selfish desire."
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I read the post. Am I supposed to believe this is the final word? That's funny. Science has not come to the final word on anything. To think so would be very foolish.

    Einstein was probably the greatest mind we have ever known and he believed in intelligent design.
    Einstein "believed" in a pantheistic sort of god, not a personal one.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Einstein "believed" in a pantheistic sort of god, not a personal one.
    That's fine. He believed in an intelligent creator.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    I'm not sure that's true. Einstein didn't believe in personal gods, when he spoke of gods he was speaking in a pantheistic sense. That is, ascribing attributes of nature to gods. God doesn't play dice, this is a quote from him when presented with quantum mechanics (Einstein didn't believe quantum mechanics was right, we know better now). But that wasn't a personal god, that was nature. Nature doesn't play dice. In fact, your first quote of Einstein is exactly this point. He doesn't believe in the Christian sort of god, not a personal deity, something that started everything and guided it. But rather that things flowed from nature, and nature was a type of god itself.

    All of this is a null point anyway, it doesn't matter what Einstein thought was right or not. Ideas and hypothesis are tested, results are noted, knowledge is gained, and mankind moves on. We know how old the earth is, we know approximately the age of the universe; there's all sorts of things we can measure.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You're conflating a whole bunch of things together here.

    There's the belief that the earth was created by god in its current form, fossils and all, 6000 years ago.....

    I had to smile at that one -- the notion that God created the earth and then just chucked in the fossils, the "remains" of creatures which presumably never existed...? Was he trying to mess with our heads? Why didn't he toss in some corpses of aliens, just to completely freak us out? And maybe bury fake corpses of Jimmy Hoffa in five different places?

    Maybe he does have that kind of sense of humor. I mean, look at the platypus....Not the work of a serious artist here.

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