Thread: Do You Believe in Creationism?

Originally Posted by EgoffTib

My point was that facts can be overturned and refuted when new evidence is discovered. Therefore, the argument in red is stupid.

No. The argument in red stands.

A "fact" is something that is true, period.

If something is doiscovered that negates a 'fact', then the fact isnt a fact any more -- it is, as you said, obsolete.

In your case, the 'fact' that 'humans need to breathe O2' wasnt really a fact.

Originally Posted by Goobieman

No. The argument in red stands.

A "fact" is something that is true, period.

If something is doiscovered that negates a 'fact', then the fact isnt a fact any more -- it is, as you said, obsolete.

In your case, the 'fact' that 'humans need to breathe O2' wasnt really a fact.

It was until new information became available... Facts can change. That was my point.

Originally Posted by EgoffTib

It was until new information became available... Facts can change. That was my point.

I don't see how facts can change. This is one of those black and white issues. Eitehr somehtign is fact, or it is not. There is no subjectivity involved. If it turns out that was thought to be a fact is actually false, it doesn't mean it was once true. It was always false, it was just not understood that ti was false.

Use the geocentric universe as an example. Just because everyone BELIEVED the sun traveled around the earth never made it a fact that the sun traveled around the earth. The only "fact" is that everyone who thought this was wrong.

Originally Posted by Tucker Case

I don't see how facts can change. This is one of those black and white issues. Eitehr somehtign is fact, or it is not. There is no subjectivity involved. If it turns out that was thought to be a fact is actually false, it doesn't mean it was once true. It was always false, it was just not understood that ti was false.

Use the geocentric universe as an example. Just because everyone BELIEVED the sun traveled around the earth never made it a fact that the sun traveled around the earth. The only "fact" is that everyone who thought this was wrong.

At the time, it was considered a fact. That is my point.

Originally Posted by Goobieman

And, as I said, societal consensus does not a fact make.
That's why there was no need to address that part of your post.

...and my point was that we can never be too sure of what "truly" is a fact, since new information can always overturn our previous misconceptions.