View Poll Results: Do You Belive In Creationsm?

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  • Yes I do - The Biblical version

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  • Yes I do - "Intelligent Design" - God created everything

    9 12.33%
  • No - I believe in the Theory of Evolution (Darwinism)

    51 69.86%
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Thread: Do You Believe in Creationism?

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    My point was that facts can be overturned and refuted when new evidence is discovered. Therefore, the argument in red is stupid.
    No. The argument in red stands.

    A "fact" is something that is true, period.

    If something is doiscovered that negates a 'fact', then the fact isnt a fact any more -- it is, as you said, obsolete.

    In your case, the 'fact' that 'humans need to breathe O2' wasnt really a fact.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Um, no... or haven't you heard of species, separated geographically and subjected to different environmental pressures, losing the ability to interbreed? That's evolution. How about bacteria, subjected to mildly poisonous environments, developing an immunity. That's evolution.
    Please explain to us how what you posted, above, does anything to discredit the post that you responded to.

    Geez, it's no surprise you're screwed up, you don't even know what you're talking about.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. The argument in red stands.

    A "fact" is something that is true, period.

    If something is doiscovered that negates a 'fact', then the fact isnt a fact any more -- it is, as you said, obsolete.

    In your case, the 'fact' that 'humans need to breathe O2' wasnt really a fact.
    It was until new information became available... Facts can change. That was my point.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    It was until new information became available... Facts can change. That was my point.
    Well then -- as the 'fact' of evolution CAN change, it cannot actually be a fact.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    It was until new information became available... Facts can change. That was my point.
    I don't see how facts can change. This is one of those black and white issues. Eitehr somehtign is fact, or it is not. There is no subjectivity involved. If it turns out that was thought to be a fact is actually false, it doesn't mean it was once true. It was always false, it was just not understood that ti was false.

    Use the geocentric universe as an example. Just because everyone BELIEVED the sun traveled around the earth never made it a fact that the sun traveled around the earth. The only "fact" is that everyone who thought this was wrong.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't see how facts can change. This is one of those black and white issues. Eitehr somehtign is fact, or it is not. There is no subjectivity involved. If it turns out that was thought to be a fact is actually false, it doesn't mean it was once true. It was always false, it was just not understood that ti was false.

    Use the geocentric universe as an example. Just because everyone BELIEVED the sun traveled around the earth never made it a fact that the sun traveled around the earth. The only "fact" is that everyone who thought this was wrong.
    At the time, it was considered a fact. That is my point.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't see how facts can change. This is one of those black and white issues. Eitehr somehtign is fact, or it is not. There is no subjectivity involved. If it turns out that was thought to be a fact is actually false, it doesn't mean it was once true. It was always false, it was just not understood that ti was false.
    Correct.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    At the time, it was considered a fact. That is my point.
    And, as I said, societal consensus does not a fact make.
    That's why there was no need to address that part of your post.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And, as I said, societal consensus does not a fact make.
    That's why there was no need to address that part of your post.
    ...and my point was that we can never be too sure of what "truly" is a fact, since new information can always overturn our previous misconceptions.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    ...and my point was that we can never be too sure of what "truly" is a fact, since new information can always overturn our previous misconceptions.
    And so, you then agree that Evolution is not a fact.

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