View Poll Results: Do You Belive In Creationsm?

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  • Yes I do - The Biblical version

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  • Yes I do - "Intelligent Design" - God created everything

    9 12.33%
  • No - I believe in the Theory of Evolution (Darwinism)

    51 69.86%
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Thread: Do You Believe in Creationism?

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Is the fact that 2+2=4 dependent on the agreement of society?

    Of course not.

    Thus, you premise that facts are determned by the consensus of society is flawed, as is then any example based on that premise -- and thus, the second half of your post need not be addressed.
    So then deal with the example. If we all woke up one morning, and realized that we did not need air to breathe, that would then make the fact(humans need oxygen to live) obsolete. My point was that facts remain facts unless new evidence proves this not to be true.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There is a difference between 'unpredictable' and 'random'.

    That we cannot currently predict the behavior of a particle or the outcome of a process does not mean that said process or beheavior is not governed by some law that, once discovered or understood, would allow said predictability.

    In a world governed -completely- by physics, everything that has happened and that will ever happen was set in stone by the big bang.
    Completely would definitely be the key word.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    So then deal with the example.
    Your premise that facts are determned by the consensus of society is flawed.
    Thus, any example based on that premise need not be addressed.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Your premise that facts are determned by the consensus of society is flawed.
    Thus, any example based on that premise need not be addressed.
    The example is not based on that premise. Please, re-read it again.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Completely would definitely be the key word.
    Certainly.
    But, that -is- the argument made by that those that argue against creationism/ID.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The example is not based on that premise. Please, re-read it again.


    If we all woke up one morning, and realized that we did not need air to breathe, that would then make the fact(humans need oxygen to live) obsolete.
    So what?

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Evolution is derived from inference.
    As with anything derived from interence, it is most certainly deniable, as it is perfectly possible for someone to, today, discover evidence that utterly disporves it.
    Um, no... or haven't you heard of species, separated geographically and subjected to different environmental pressures, losing the ability to interbreed? That's evolution. How about bacteria, subjected to mildly poisonous environments, developing an immunity. That's evolution.

    Geez, it's no surprise you're screwed up, you don't even know what you're talking about.

    No surprise there at all.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Wrong.
    2+2=4.
    This is a fact, regardless who thinks so and who does not.
    Only because we, as humans, have defined it that way. Just like saying up is up and down is down. We made up the words that describe the world.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    So what?
    Ah, I forgot that I have to connect the dots for you..
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Point is, this means evolution is not a fact. It is a theory that fits the information that is currently available.

    If it were a fact, then there could be no infromation that would or could refute it.
    My point was that facts can be overturned and refuted when new evidence is discovered. Therefore, the argument in red is stupid.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Only because we, as humans, have defined it that way.
    No. We have not.
    We may have assigned a value to the numerals 2 and 4 and assigned a value to the operators '+' and '=', but we as humans did not define 2+2=4.

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