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Thread: Do You Believe in Creationism?

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    We can make an educated assumption with our current technology, but no one knows for sure how old the earth is. I'm right.
    Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Today's accepted age of Earth of 4.55 billion years was determined by C.C. Patterson using uranium-lead isotope dating (specifically lead-lead dating) on several meteorites including the Canyon Diablo meteorite and published in 1956.[25]
    Some meteorites are furthermore considered to represent the primitive material from which the accreting solar disk was formed.[26] Some have behaved as closed systems (for some isotopic systems) soon after the solar disk and the planets formed. To date, these assumptions are supported by much scientific observation and repeated isotopic dates, and it is certainly a more robust hypothesis than that which assumes a terrestrial rock has retained its original composition.

    Nevertheless, ancient Archaean lead ores of galena have been used to date the formation of Earth as these represent the earliest formed lead-only minerals on the planet and record the earliest homogeneous lead-lead isotope systems on the planet. These have returned age dates of 4.54 billion years with a precision of as little as 1% margin for error.[20]:310341
    Yeah because we can't narrow the age of the earth down to the last second we don't know for sure when it was formed. The God of the Gaps rears it's ugly head again.

    Definition of assumption :

    assumption - definition of assumption by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    1. The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
    2. The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.
    3. The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory.
    4. Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition: a valid assumption.

    5. Presumption; arrogance.
    6. Logic A minor premise.
    At this point in the life of science. There is little left to 'assume' in the scientific world. If it is not based on data. You have nothing.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    I think I can set the matter straight:

    First of all, I believe that it is quite possible that the idea that god created the universe and that life evolves can both be true.

    I also believe that what the creationists/intelligent design people are saying is that god created things, including life, perfectly and as they are right now. Their position is so untenable it is even hard to define. For example, and on the simplest level, they don't account for change even though change can be seen with the common eye. How can you believe that the design of anything is the only form it has ever been in, if it can be proven empirically that something or some part of a thing has changed.

    Intelligent design/creationism, is a false theory, which talks us out of our own eyeballs (senses), to further a political agenda. Namely, if we can destroy science in the name of religion, than we can also destroy bipartisonship and make everyone see things the same way, the Christian Fundamentalist way.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    How old do you think the Earth is, walleye?
    At least a billion years I suppose. Like I say, no one knows.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    At least a billion years I suppose. Like I say, no one knows.
    Read Hatuey's post. Scientific theories are not just assumptions.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    I believe that the universe is full of life and discovering it is just another human step...those that disagree are on the same plane as people who thought the world was flat back in the day.

    That being said, I still cannot rule out the possibilty of there being a God in some form because life had to start somewhere.

    Religion: through human evolution and as man first started to become civilized was the first form of a law. Early laws were inspired by religion and eventually replaced it in some areas of the planet.

    That being said, I cannot rule out that religion was somehow inspired by a true God in early times...it is likely that religion was the same world wide in the earliest days of man but through years of changing religion became twisted as seen fit to the liking of many different groups or clicks that formed around the planet

    Because of the infinite of the past we will not know for sure unless...

    a)God lets it be known (again?)
    b)we find out for ourselves in the after-life
    c)some aliens visit us and tell us the scoop

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    I think I can set the matter straight:

    First of all, I believe that it is quite possible that the idea that god created the universe and that life evolves can both be true.

    I also believe that what the creationists/intelligent design people are saying is that god created things, including life, perfectly and as they are right now. Their position is so untenable it is even hard to define. For example, and on the simplest level, they don't account for change even though change can be seen with the common eye. How can you believe that the design of anything is the only form it has ever been in, if it can be proven empirically that something or some part of a thing has changed.

    Intelligent design/creationism, is a false theory, which talks us out of our own eyeballs (senses), to further a political agenda. Namely, if we can destroy science in the name of religion, than we can also destroy bipartisonship and make everyone see things the same way, the Christian Fundamentalist way.
    How would you label these beliefs:

    There's the belief that the earth was created by god some indeterminate amount of time ago and that god directed evolution.

    There's the belief that the earth was created by god some indeterminate amount of time ago and that evolution happened naturally.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    These are very broad categories really and quite vague.

    Yes I believe in evolution but I'm not what could be called a complete materialist or naturalist.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    First off, evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive since evolution does not attempt to "explain" how or why life came to be. Merely how it evolved once it DID come to be.

    But no, I do not believe in any sort of mythological gods or goddesses blinking "life" into existence.


    I had some die hard creationists in my raft once on the New River. They were quite hilarious. Apparently dinosaurs never actually existed. All the fossils were planted by the "devil" to misdirect us. Everything on the planet now is exactly as it was at creation - which according to them was 6000 years ago. (and that's what I've most often been able to determine the bible figuring) And NOTHING existed prior to 6,000 years ago.

    So, while we're on this river that has CUT A GORGE through a MOUNTAIN THAT WAS LEVELED BY GLACIERS, I mention volcanoes and oh... I dunno... RIVERS to this group of obviously misguided, but well-meaning souls. They said rivers don't cut through mountains, and volcanoes don't create new land. That the earth - as it is now - is exactly as it was at creation 6000 years ago. Nothing has changed, nothing ever will.

    I seriously just sat blinking at their sheer willful ignorance for a few seconds before pointing out a blue heron that landed on an island in the river and trying to divert the conversation to anything BUT their ludicrous notions about creationism. Because I really didn't know how long I'd be able to keep from busting out laughing. I did manage to though, and get a pretty decent tip from them.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Read Hatuey's post. Scientific theories are not just assumptions.
    I read the post. Am I supposed to believe this is the final word? That's funny. Science has not come to the final word on anything. To think so would be very foolish.

    Einstein was probably the greatest mind we have ever known and he believed in intelligent design.
    Last edited by walleye; 02-13-09 at 01:48 AM.

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    Re: Do You Believe in Creationism?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I read the post. Am I supposed to believe this is the final word? That's funny. Science has not come to the final word on anything. To think so would be very foolish.

    Einstein was probably the greatest mind we have ever known and he believed in intelligent design.
    God of the Gaps in full force here.

    Here I'll explain something simple :

    - Probability of life on other planets : Assumption based on what may be.

    - Age of the Earth : Supported by modern scientific methods and data. The only ones disputing a difference of billions of years are Creationists with God of Gaps.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 02-13-09 at 02:11 AM.
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