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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    "Mujahideen" is a word reffering to any Islamist fighter: you find "mujahideens" in Chechnya etc...it just means "someone who takes part in the Jihad"
    How lame.

    When referring to the Mujahadeen in the context of this threat, you're referring to a SPECIFIC group of people -- a goup specific to a time, place, population and goal.

    You cannot then use the term in its generic sense to also then refer to the Taliban, an organization that differ in time, population and goal.

    Pathetically desperate of you to try.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Dream on pally. You haven't been right about any of those things.
    You know it, you just dont have the intellectual honesty to admit it.
    says the one who believed that there was a nazi resistance after WWII
    See, what you refuse to understand is:
    1: Its doesnt matter who calls someone a freedom fighter, if they aren't
    well that was the answer of your poll: you asked if "if you're fighting for the power to create a murderous, oppressive, theocratic government, are you fighting for freedom?
    If not, then can you be a 'freedom fighter'?"


    My answer is that US president Reagan considers that YES, if you're a Jihadist using terrorist methods in your fight against communists you are a freedom fighter.

    2: Freedom fighters can use terrorism and stll be freedom fighters
    where did I disagree with that?

    3: The Taliban is NOT the descendant of the Mujahadeen; the groups fought for entirely different reasons.
    Both are Islamists and fight to introduce the Sharia in Afghanistan, but let's say that they are unrelated (which is false: Bin Laden was both) => what would be the difference? Don't they use the same tactics? What would make the first group "freedom fighters" and the others "terrorists"? Just because you don't like the commies?


    So, since you seem to think that font size and color count more toard the validity of a point than being factually correct, I will say again:
    I can write bigger than you

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    His ignorance on this point is clearly willfull.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How lame.

    Pathetically desperate of you to try.
    and stop it with the personnal attacks

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How lame.

    When referring to the Mujahadeen in the context of this threat, you're referring to a SPECIFIC group of people -- a goup specific to a time, place, population and goal.

    You cannot then use the term in its generic sense to also then refer to the Taliban, an organization that differ in time, population and goal.

    Pathetically desperate of you to try.
    looks like the Oxford English dictionary & the Merriam-Webster dictionary disagree with you on 2 points:
    1) Mujahadeen is spelled Mujahideen
    2) Mujahideen refers to EVERY muslim taking part in the Jihad, not only to the ones in Afghanistan

    Main Entry:
    mu·ja·hid·een Listen to the pronunciation of mujahideen
    Variant(s):
    or mu·ja·hed·in Listen to the pronunciation of mujahedin also mu·ja·hed·een \mü-ˌja-hi-ˈdēn, mu̇-, -ˌjä-\
    Function:
    noun plural
    Etymology:
    Arabic mujāhidīn, plural of mujāhid, literally, person who wages jihad
    Last edited by bub; 02-11-09 at 11:41 AM.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    says the one who believed that there was a nazi resistance after WWII
    More dishonesty. This was explained to you; you refuse to understand.

    My answer is that US president Reagan considers that YES
    And, as I said:
    Its doesnt matter who calls someone a freedom fighter, if they aren't.
    So, your point here is meaningless.

    If you're a Jihadist using terrorist methods in your fight against communists you are a freedom fighter.
    And, as you have been told, the Mujahadeen are not the "jihadists" of the Taliban. So, again, your point here is meaningless.

    Both are Islamists and fight to introduce the Sharia in Afghanistan....
    More ignorance on your part. The Mujahadeen that fought the Soviets fought to drive out the Soviets, not to "introduce the Sharia in Afghanistan"

    I can write bigger than you
    It doesn't matter how big you write -- you're still wrong.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    looks like the Oxford English dictionary disagrees with you on 2 points:
    1) Mujahadeen is spelled Mujahideen
    2) Mujahideen refers to EVERY muslim taking part in the Jihad, not only to the ones in Afghanistan
    Wow. This is -disgustingly- desperate.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    and stop it with the personnal attacks
    None of those are personal attacks.
    they describe your arguments and your ability to argue honestly.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And, as I said:
    Its doesnt matter who calls someone a freedom fighter, if they aren't.
    So, your point here is meaningless.
    If you don't accept it when people disagree with you, next time put only one option to your poll

    And, as you have been told, the Mujahadeen are not the "jihadists" of the Taliban. So, again, your point here is meaningless.
    what does that mean?


    More ignorance on your part. The Mujahadeen that fought the Soviets fought to drive out the Soviets, not to "introduce the Sharia in Afghanistan"
    and what kind of political regime do you expect JIHADISTS to support? Democracy? No, guess what, they called their state "Islamic state of Afghanistan"

    It doesn't matter how big you write -- you're still wrong.

    It's funny to see you skip the parts that defeat you so much that even by spinning a lot you can't give the illusion not to be defeated: "let's say that they are unrelated (which is false: Bin Laden was both) => what would be the difference? Don't they use the same tactics? What would make the first group "freedom fighters" and the others "terrorists"? Just because you don't like the commies?"

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Wow. I admit I'm totally wrong
    I knew you could do it

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I knew you could do it
    How juvenile.

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