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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    "Fighting for the freedom to create the government I want", depending on that government, translates to "fighting for the power to oppress and murder my people".
    Which re-translates into "fighting for the freedom to have a government that those fighting want". That's freedom fighting from the perspective of those fighting.
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure how that matters?
    The system they want to install is murderous and oppressive; these things on their own create an antithesis to freedom.
    Well if they are currelntly being oppressed, then they are fighting for their own freedom even if the regime they want put in place is oppressive towards otehrs, those doing the fighting will have freedom under it, while they currently do not have freedom.



    Think of it this way: the US system, as originally installed, was murderous towards the native population and oppressive towards the slave and female population. Does that mean that they were not fighting for their own freedom?

    I thjink the answer must be "No, of course not. They sought freedom from tyranny and a right to self-determination."

    The fact that they indeed created an oppressive system that took almost 200 years to fully correct is irrelevant to the fact that they sought freedom from tyranny.



    The issue with regards to "freedom fighting" has nothing to do with the system being promoted, and everything to do with the oppression inherent in the current system.

    If the people who are fighting are actually given voice in the current government and their freedoms are not curtailed, i.e. they have the same degree of freedom as those they would seek to oppress in the current system, then they are not freedom fighters.

    But if the current system is oppresive towards them, then they are clearly freedom fighters.

    Fighting for freedom =/= fighting for universal freedom. It's subjective. It's fighting for one's own freedom.

    Otherwise, we MUST label the founding fathers as "terrorists" because they did not fight for freedom, otherwise we could not possibly have had slavery for another 80+ years in this country.
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Welcome to the english language
    I dont believe its the English language, I believe its the desire to spin the despicable into the superficially supportable.

    "Insurgent" and "terrorist" and "murderer" do not have a noble ring to them, and so, to paint a better picture of people you like, you choose the term "freedom fighter".

    (Note that I use the term 'you' in the generic sense)

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Well if they are currelntly being oppressed, then they are fighting for their own freedom even if the regime they want put in place is oppressive towards otehrs, those doing the fighting will have freedom under it, while they currently do not have freedom.
    So, as I said -- they arent fighting for freedom, they are fighting for power.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    and so, to paint a better picture of people you like, you choose the term "freedom fighter".
    Context of 'May 9, 1984: Reagan Publicly Says US Must Help Contra ‘Freedom Fighters’'
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, as I said -- they arent fighting for freedom, they are fighting for power.
    Freedom is power.
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    "Insurgent" and "terrorist" and "murderer" do not have a noble ring to them, and so, to paint a better picture of people you like, you choose the term "freedom fighter".
    This proves 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'? You use terms that you don't consider to be noble to describe those you dislike and who's ideology you oppose while describing those you do support and who's ideology you believe in as something noble? Thanks for proving it Goobie.
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Freedom is power.
    Not in this context.
    Fighting for the power to oppress and murder people is not fighting for the freedom of those people.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This proves 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'? You use terms that you don't consider to be noble to describe those you dislike and who's ideology you oppose while describing those you do support and who's ideology you believe in as something noble? Thanks for proving it Goobie.
    Another useless drive-by posting by the master of same.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not in this context.
    Fighting for the power to oppress and murder people is not fighting for the freedom of those people.
    not according to the gipper.

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