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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    One question, and it is highly pertinent:
    Are the people fighting being prevented from self-determination by the current regime? i.e. Are they not given a vote/voice in the current government?
    Not sure how that matters?
    The system they want to install is murderous and oppressive; these things on their own create an antithesis to freedom.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    If I am fighting for the freedom to create the government I want. Then yes I am a freedom fighter to me and all those that believe in what I am fighting for.
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure how that matters?
    The system they want to install is murderous and oppressive; these things on their own create an antithesis to freedom.
    it totally matters. it's important to think of things in terms of cost vs benefit. for example, the US has occasionally propped up murderous, oppressive regimes in order to advance "freedom." some think it was worth it, or that it worked, some don't.
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    If I am fighting for the freedom to create the government I want. Then yes I am a freedom fighter to me and all those that believe in what I am fighting for.
    "Fighting for the freedom to create the government I want", depending on that government, translates to "fighting for the power to oppress and murder my people".

    That's Saddaam Hussein and his Ba'athists resisting the US in Iraq.

    That's 'freedom'?
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    how oppressive? what kind of murderous? how much theocracy? what kinds of freedoms?
    it's interesting that I don't want to assume very much? but you expect me to?
    interesting.
    Its apparent you arent willing to honestly discuss this.
    Thanks for playing.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    The term 'freedom fighter' doesn't literally mean somebody who is fighting for freedom. It' just a synonym for insurgent, and in the media/common usage that definition is very loose as well.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    I do find it disturbing that while our leadership was getting us all focused on the terrorists attacking freedom and our rights...we were actually being "pick-pocketed" of the very same while our attention was turned.

    So who is the bigger terrorist against freedom?

    This reminds me of some of the famous quotes by great people (Presidents, Einstein, etc.) years ago who talked about how the real threats will be in the guise of fighting a foreign threat.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    The term 'freedom fighter' doesn't literally mean somebody who is fighting for freedom. It' just a synonym for insurgent, and in the media/common usage that definition is very loose as well.
    So, if that's the case, the term 'freedom fighter' isn't accurate.

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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its apparent you arent willing to honestly discuss this.
    Thanks for playing.
    You refuse to clarify what you meant by the topic you started. You expect me to assume what you meant by your vague terms. You stroll through a cloudy haze of hypothetical rhetoric and are surprised when I don't exactly want to stroll through it with you, without clarification, or debate. wow.
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    Re: If you are fighting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, if that's the case, the term 'freedom fighter' isn't accurate.
    Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Welcome to the english language

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