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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Thank you.

    They probably couldn't find anyone to invest in their ugly building.
    Despite me not liking North Korea, I think the building is nice, probably one of the top 20 skyscrapers I have seen. Judging from the picture. It looks far better to me than the empire state building, even if I like the US far better than North Korea.

    The actual reason for this thread was that I read an article in a Norwegian paper about how the work is continuing now, and the picture of the building with a glass facade. I thought it looked awesome, so I wanted to post it here and see if you people found it awesome as well, even thought its North Korean.. But apparently you people seem extremely split on the issue. Some people think its completely awesome while the rest do not like it at all..

    I do find that weird if it has NOTHING to do with it being North Korean.
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    the buildings around
    how its structured
    the concrete
    All of these things DO add to the visual appeal.

    For example, if you like a more traditional look than the new age glass monstrosities, the Empire State Building having a more visible concrete actually enhances its aesthetics by giving it a traditional look and an interesting dichotomy between the glass and concrete.

    Its structure is a HUGE factor of it. For example, I don't mind the triangular shape of the NK building though I'm not a HUGE fan of it, but I hate the structure of the huge glass panel on the front. It seems out of place and makes it end up looking like a rocket ship rather than a building. Back to the Empire State Building, to me the structure of it gives the impression of a water fall, as you go farther down with each different piece jutting out it seems like the concrete is flowing over the building like water from a stream. The structure of the Empire State building adds to its aesthetics for me.

    What buildings are around DOES matter. Things are beautiful, in part, due to the surrounding things. Sometimes, something that sticks out hugely from its surroundings can be appealing...other times it seems gaudy and over done. I like the Empire State Building; its size is enough to have a leg up over the other large buildings of New York's sky line. However, if it was in the down town area of my home city:



    I'd probably say its FAR less attractive. Why? Because it would be SO out of place that it would just look weird, not beautiful. It'd tower nearly 60 stories over anything near by. That goes from being large enough to make an impact to just monstrous. That takes away from the appeal.

    Talk to any good photographer and they will tell you, the area around what you're photographing DOES matter. Your surroundings play into whatever it is you're making, same goes for the buildings. The Empire State building is a majestically large building amongst other large ones. The one in NK is a gigantic monstrosity amongst run down fledgling smaller ones gathering at its foot like ants looking upon a person.

    Additionally, where its built and how its built CAN affect peoples aesthetic views. For example, I know people who generally find designer clothes to be rather unpleasing to the eye. Not necessarily because they're not good to look at, but because for the price that they cost they are not as attractive enough to justify it, thus making it even uglier in their eye as it is wasteful. Now, you can whine, bitch, and complain that that's biased of them but that is part of human nature. We all view beauty differently, and all view it through different criteria's. There is no definite, universal, definition of "beauty" because its impossible to have one. Grossly over the top, wasteful things can be so offensive to the person viewing it that it can easily factor into whether they find something attractive or beautiful.

    If it was simply "north korea" that was the issue, then people wouldn't be commenting positively on the next thing posted from North Korea, but its not. For those that have an issue with it for being wasteful, it would not have mattered if it was North Korea of South Africa, such huge decadence and waste in what is essentially a paper tiger of architecture to them is offensive to the senses and makes the thing look ugly.
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    All of these things DO add to the visual appeal..
    Those do not matter when its the building I am asking about...

    Ok since you cannot get past your bias against North Korea.. What if I manipulate the picture and put the North Korean building in the middle of New York, and the best quality concrete is used on it.. What do you think of it then, the visual appeal?

    Thats all I want to know, just look beyond everything else. It shouldn't matter of the building is in Antarctica or paradise. Or if its perfectly in place with a million similar building or out of place because its the only one.. I am just asking what you think of that building, if you think its nice/cool, visually from the picture(blur out the rest with a photo shop filter if you must)..
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Those do not matter when its the building I am asking about...

    Ok since you cannot get past your bias against North Korea.. What if I manipulate the picture and put the North Korean building in the middle of New York, and the best quality concrete is used on it.. What do you think of it then, the visual appeal?
    It would look almost as out of place in New York as it would in Pyongyang. Really there's nowhere that it could be that it would look appealing. It would look a little bit better in Las Vegas or in Disney World...but it still would not be a beautiful structure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Thats all I want to know, just look beyond everything else. It shouldn't matter of the building is in Antarctica or paradise.
    Of course it does. Christ The Redeemer looks a lot better on a mountain overlooking Rio de Janeiro than it would in the middle of Battery Park. The Eiffel Tower looks a lot better on the Paris skyline than it would amid oil rigs in Houston. The Egyptian pyramids look a lot better in the desert than they would in Japan. And the Empire State Building looks a lot better in New York City than it would in Madagascar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Or if its perfectly in place with a million similar building or out of place because its the only one.. I am just asking what you think of that building, if you think its nice/cool, visually from the picture(blur out the rest with a photo shop filter if you must)..
    If we're blurring out everything around it, I guess the Hotel of Doom would look OK if I could assume it was made out of Legos and was twelve inches tall.
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Of course it does. Christ The Redeemer looks a lot better on a mountain overlooking Rio de Janeiro than it would in the middle of Battery Park. The Eiffel Tower looks a lot better on the Paris skyline than it would amid oil rigs in Houston. The Egyptian pyramids look a lot better in the desert than they would in Japan. And the Empire State Building looks a lot better in New York City than it would in Madagascar.
    All that doesn't mater when you are only suppose to be looking and commenting on the building.

    Unfortunately it seems I didn't use photo shop to blur out the surroundings in hope that people could just view the building and comment it.
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    All that doesn't mater when you are only suppose to be looking and commenting on the building.

    Unfortunately it seems I didn't use photo shop to blur out the surroundings in hope that people could just view the building and comment it.
    If you had done that some people would be saying they like it, others would say that they don't, and many would be saying "I don't know. With a building like this, it would depend on it's context. I'd have to see what would be around it"

    Context matters in architecture. It doesn't make sense to even try to evaluate such a building without a context, which is what you want people to do. Forgive them if they continue to want to make sense while you go off into lala land.

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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Those do not matter when its the building I am asking about...

    Ok since you cannot get past your bias against North Korea.. What if I manipulate the picture and put the North Korean building in the middle of New York, and the best quality concrete is used on it.. What do you think of it then, the visual appeal?

    Thats all I want to know, just look beyond everything else. It shouldn't matter of the building is in Antarctica or paradise. Or if its perfectly in place with a million similar building or out of place because its the only one.. I am just asking what you think of that building, if you think its nice/cool, visually from the picture(blur out the rest with a photo shop filter if you must)..
    And you wonder why people don't respond honestly to your bull****. Its because that's what it is, utter and complete bull****. You're not here for honest discussion, because even when people try to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't read or understand what they say and keep spewing out your same bull**** rhetoric.

    Yes, all three of those things play into the building you posted and the building you later tried to contrast it to, the empire state building. Its not about "The best concrete", its about the color, the design, etc. I don't like the huge amount of glass of the one in NK, I like the mix of concrete and glass on the empire state building. NOTHING TO DO WITH NORTH KOREA, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. I like the empire state buildings structure, it looks like a water fall of concrete, it makes it pleasing to me. This thing looks like a ****ing rocket ship and that's not appealing to me in a building. NOTHING TO DO WITH NORTH KOREA, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. The Empire State building does not seem out of place in its environment, thus increasing its aesthetic appeal, the other one looks like an out of place monstrosity. NOTHING TO DO WITH NORTH KOREA, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

    If it was in New York I'd STILL not like it. Why? Because I STILL wouldn't like it looking like a rocket ship and I STILL wouldn't like all that glass. The only difference would be the environment would be SLIGHTLY better for it, and its so new age and shiny it'd still feel out of place to a point. As someone else said, Las Vegas I could see with it.

    You're not here for debate, you're a hack rhetoric speaker that has your own thoughts in mind and god be damned if you'll ever veer from it. Even when people try to actually enter into intelligent, legitimate, respectful discourse with you you come back with drivel like this. I'm done, enjoy your little game. Everyone knows it, its flawed, illogical, and down right elementary in its presentation. My mistake for actually trying to have an actual conversation with you and expecting you to have even an ounce of intellectual honesty.
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Once again :

    PASS :





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    Both in North Korea. Get it? Got it? Good.
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Once again :

    PASS :





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    Both in North Korea. Get it? Got it? Good.
    So you seriously think that lousy spire looks cooler/nicer than the hotel?
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    Re: Is this a cool building? -nr 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And you wonder why people don't respond honestly to your bull****. Its because that's what it is, utter and complete bull****. You're not here for honest discussion, because even when people try to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't read or understand what they say and keep spewing out your same bull**** rhetoric.

    Yes, all three of those things play into the building you posted and the building you later tried to contrast it to, the empire state building. Its not about "The best concrete", its about the color, the design, etc. I don't like the huge amount of glass of the one in NK, I like the mix of concrete and glass on the empire state building. NOTHING TO DO WITH NORTH KOREA, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. I like the empire state buildings structure, it looks like a water fall of concrete, it makes it pleasing to me. This thing looks like a ****ing rocket ship and that's not appealing to me in a building. NOTHING TO DO WITH NORTH KOREA, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. The Empire State building does not seem out of place in its environment, thus increasing its aesthetic appeal, the other one looks like an out of place monstrosity. NOTHING TO DO WITH NORTH KOREA, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

    If it was in New York I'd STILL not like it. Why? Because I STILL wouldn't like it looking like a rocket ship and I STILL wouldn't like all that glass. The only difference would be the environment would be SLIGHTLY better for it, and its so new age and shiny it'd still feel out of place to a point. As someone else said, Las Vegas I could see with it.

    You're not here for debate, you're a hack rhetoric speaker that has your own thoughts in mind and god be damned if you'll ever veer from it. Even when people try to actually enter into intelligent, legitimate, respectful discourse with you you come back with drivel like this. I'm done, enjoy your little game. Everyone knows it, its flawed, illogical, and down right elementary in its presentation. My mistake for actually trying to have an actual conversation with you and expecting you to have even an ounce of intellectual honesty.
    I didnt say it had anything to do with North Korea, but judging the visual appeal of a building on the type of concrete on speculate is used, now that really shows something else alltogether.
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