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Ironic that you would use that term.
Why do you find that ironic?
Ironic that you would use that term.
I don't know. Saudis seem quite happy. You are an outsider looking in, you see things differently then they do. They would rather have an oppressive theocracy then, an unstable country, or a group of Christians debasing their religion.
So you are saying that you cannot be a terrorist and a freedom fighter at the same time? I disagree.
Why do you find that ironic?
Our FF had slaves.
Yes, they did. However, their ideals that produced the US Constitution led to the eradiation of slavery.
Yes, I'm sure women love walking around with their entire bodies covered and not being allowed to drive or go anywhere alone.
Yes, those mean ole nasty Christians are much more oppressive than muslim society.
That's funny.
Sept. 27 - The audience - 500 women covered in black at a Saudi university - seemed an ideal place for Karen P. Hughes, a senior Bush administration official charged with spreading the American message in the Muslim world, to make her pitch.
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"The general image of the Arab woman is that she isn't happy," one audience member said. "Well, we're all pretty happy." The room, full of students, faculty members and some professionals, resounded with applause.
Freedom Fighter, to me is a left leaning biased word used by left leaning media. Communism has always advocated emancipation, and freedom from the bourgeois society and transitioning into a classless society. Lenin, Mao, and Castro are commonly labelled as sorts of Freedom Fighters, but are they really? They purged millions of men, women and even children because they were 'counterrevolutionary" or just because they criticised the Government. They led their respective nations into poverty, war and famine, instead of bringing in freedom, they instead suppressed their people.
Freedom Fighter is just a term used by Left leaning people in order to make people such as Lenin, Mao and Castro seem like an acceptable person, and that their actions were justified.
I'd call all three of them Terrorists, actually, I'd call them tyrants.
That is what everyone who has ever led a resistance in the history of mankind has wanted. They break free and either flee to another locale or usurp those in powers, setting up their own form of government.What they want is the "freedom" to instill their brand of oppressive rule. Actual freedom for the people they claim to represent is a myth.
For you to be consistent in your logic here you'll have to give the terrorists a 100 years.
Meh, I'd only giving them four score and 7 years.
Give or take a couple.
If Hamas never deployed terrorist tactics with the intent to kill civilians they would not be considered terrorist. Hamas is responsible for suicide attacks targeting civilians. These attacks deliberatly target civilians that is why they are terrorist. There people may call them a resistence movement but they are terrorist plan and simple.
Hamas is listed as a FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization) by the United States government.I'm fairly certain if Hamas held marches in the US however or set up fundraising that your reaction would probably be quite different.
Hamas is listed as a FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization) by the United States government --snip----snip--I'm fairly certain if Hamas held marches in the US however or set up fundraising that your reaction would probably be quite different --snip--
Q: Why isn't the IRA on the list?
There is a strong body of evidence documenting historic IRA involvement in terrorist activity. This evidence precedes the time, two years ago, when we first considered designating the IRA as an FTO.
At that time, the Secretary of State took note of the IRA's unequivocal cease-fire, as well as the subsequent decision by the British government that the cease-fire was "genuine in word and deed." This permitted Sinn Fein to join inclusive, all-party talks in Belfast.
The peace process in Northern Ireland continues, albeit not without obvious difficulties, and we have again determined that the IRA should not be designated at this time. We are, however, concerned over recent indications of increased terrorist activity in Northern Ireland, and we will continue to monitor closely the activities of all paramilitary groups.
Q: What happens if the IRA carries out another act of terrorism, such as killing a police officer or blowing up a police station?
We will not speculate on hypothetical situations. We expect the IRA to adhere to its responsibility to maintain the cease-fire. Obviously, any resumption of violence by the IRA would have a direct impact on the ongoing review.
Current List of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations
1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group
3. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
4. Ansar al-Islam
5. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
6. Asbat al-Ansar
7. Aum Shinrikyo
8. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
9. Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA)
10. Continuity Irish Republican Army
11. Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
12. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
13. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
14. Hizballah (Party of God)
15. Islamic Jihad Group
16. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
17. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)
18. Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI)
19. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
20. Kahane Chai (Kach)
21. Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK)
22. Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous)
23. Lashkar i Jhangvi
24. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
25. Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
26. Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM)
27. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
28. National Liberation Army (ELN)
29. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
30. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
31. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLF)
32. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
33. Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR) (al-Qaida in Iraq) (formerly Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad, JTJ, al-Zarqawi Network)
34. al-Qa’ida
35. al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (formerly GSPC)
36. Real IRA
37. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
38. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)
39. Revolutionary Organization 17 November
40. Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
41. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
42. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)
Anyone seen Red Dawn? One of my favorite bad movies of all time. Basically Iraq only in America. Illustrates the poll question quite well I think.
You know, we used to have a terrorist movement here in the UK (there have been lots actually) not so long ago - called the IRA. They carried out bombings to kill civilians - I will concede they sometimes phoned the police to warn them of where their bombs were so innocent civilians could be evacuated but often they didn't.
1973 - 10 car bombs left to kill innocent civilians. 2 were found but eventually 1 innocent killed and 180 injured.
1974 - bomb on a coach carrying soldiers AND their families, 11 dead.
1974 - first of the pub bombs (bombs placed in public bars) kills 2 soldiers, 3 civilians and injures 50.
1974, - second series of pub bombings, this time in Birmingham kills 21.
Series of small atacks continue in England but next major attack is 1984 - when the IRA tied to assassinate Margaret Thatcher and the UK Govt with the Brighton bombs.
1993 - Warrington, bomb kills two children
1993 - Warrington, bombs on gas meters (first of the economic target attacks)
1993 - IRA returns to bomb London, attacking the "city" financial district. Bishopsgate attacked
1996 - Canary Wharf, yet another civilian target bombed. 2 killed.
1997 - Arndale centre, Manchester bombed injuring 200 people.
I'm not even touching IRA bombings in Northern Ireland - far too many to count but you do also know the IRA received money, support and weapons from the US through NORAID, marches by known terrorists were held in America?
You obviously have a thing about Hamas, all I'm asking is that you recognise that your outrage against Hamas and their targeting civilians is only following what countless other terrorist organisations have done. I'm fairly certain if Hamas held marches in the US however or set up fundraising that your reaction would probably be quite different.
It's all, as was mentioned on page one - about perspective.
Please read post #147, Thankyou
For you to be consistent in your logic here you'll have to give the terrorists a 100 years.
Okay to all those that dont agree that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...
what about
Luis Posada Carriles?
Here you have a man, convicted of blowing up an airplane, and yet protected by the US. Is he a freedom fighter because the plane was Cuban and he is a cuban exile or is he no better than a Hamas bomber that blows himself up in a disco?
Which is it?
Our forefathers had ideals of freedom. Islam doesn't.
Do all Muslims practice exactly the same way?
Regardless, that is irrelevant if they want to be free from outside influence. Don't mistake this for supporting them.
Islam is an oppressive culture.
What a lot of them may want they are not able to achieve because of fear. Intimidation and oppression is part of Islam.
Islam is a religion.
Intimidation and oppression is a part of a lot of religions to varying degrees.