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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Do you agree with the statement?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 57.5%
  • No

    Votes: 17 42.5%

  • Total voters
    40
If you arent fighting for a 'free society' then you;re not fighting for freedom, you're fighting for power to oppress.
This is really that simple, why you fail to grasp it is beyond me.
Well this is not going anywhere. Have fun. :lol:
 
As though freedom is a relative matter?

If you can't worship according to your own wishes and beliefs then you are not free, are you?

Read my sig.

This is like saying that America isn't free because gays can't marry here.

No one said that the freedom they fight for is absolute freedom. They want to be free from foreign interference.
 
How can you know if they are prevented from doing so?

That is why Iraq is settling down now to normalcy and why are they voting and choosing their own futures in democratically free elections.

Normalcy? HAH.
I would bet my life that in the next decade another dictator will emerge from the ruins of the US/UK invasion into Iraq. Its own History supports this.

Who is prevented from doing what? Has it ever occured to you that perhaps some Muslims do not WANT democracy?
 
Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back.

The world really isn't black and white. Sorry it had to be me that you had to find out from.

There are some things that are b & w...that are absolute.

The penalties for apostasy in Islam.

That is not freedom. It's coercion and intimidation.

Black & white.
 
Forcing people to live they way you want them to live is oppression.
Fighthing for the power to do so, therefore, is NOT fighting for freedom.

So Washington wasn't fighting for freedom?
 
Sure. People fought for independence from Britain to set up America and rule it the way they wanted to.
Fail. You're arguing apples and oranges.
You know this, of course.

Unless, of course, you're arguing that Hamas/Hezbollah/AQ are fighting to set up a country akin to ours, where people are free to do what they want as they want, so long as they do not impose upon others, and are protected from arbitrary acts by their government.

Tell me:
How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?
 
Fail. You're arguing apples and oranges.
You know this, of course.

Unless, of course, you're arguing that Hamas/Hezbollah/AQ are fighting to set up a country akin to ours, where people are free to do what they want as they want, so long as they do not impose upon others, and are protected from arbitrary acts by their government.

Tell me:
How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?
Debating the close-minded is a waste of time. I hope others take my lead and ignore your humorous posts, leaving you to debate yourself. What a spectacle that would be!
 
There are some things that are b & w...that are absolute.

The penalties for apostasy in Islam.

That is not freedom. It's coercion and intimidation.

Black & white.

Penalties? Ohh, you mean Saudi Arabia with the beheadings? The same government who is best friends with US. No wai!
 
Debating the close-minded is a waste of time. I hope others take my lead and ignore your humorous posts, leaving you to debate yourself. What a spectacle that would be!

They've debating me. It seems as though they have no response.
 
Debating the close-minded is a waste of time.
Indeed - and so, I am done with you.

See, there's a reason you didn't asnwer my question -- its because you know that to answer it is to destroy your position.

And you refuse to allow that to happen, which is why you refuse to answer it.

Disagree?

How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?

That's what I thought.
Buh-bye.
 
Has it ever occured to you that perhaps some Muslims do not WANT democracy?

Then they may continue to follow the edicts of their Imams and the trilogy (Koran, Hadith and Sira) as they wish.

They may ignore their birthright and continue letting others decide their fate.

But the millions of purple fingers we saw in EVERY election Iraq has held suggest that MOST people DO want to participate in democracy.
 
Indeed - and so, I am done with you.

See, there's a reason you didn't asnwer my question -- its because you know that to answer it is to destroy your position.

And you refuse to allow that to happen, which is why you refuse to answer it.

Disagree?

How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?

That's what I thought.
Buh-bye.

And thus he's limiting freedom fighting and terrorism to the middle-east and religious affairs.
 
And thus he's limiting freedom fighting and terrorism to the middle-east and religious affairs.
Not necessarily -- but it is the most obvious context in which to have the discussion.

How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?
 
Then they may continue to follow the edicts of their Imams and the trilogy (Koran, Hadith and Sira) as they wish.

They may ignore their birthright and continue letting others decide their fate.

But the millions of purple fingers we saw in EVERY election Iraq has held suggest that MOST people DO want to participate in democracy.

... and i wonder how long it lasts until Iraqi's elect a extreme Government who dislikes US and US shuns them and calls them terrorists :roll:

Lets all just accept fact, US or the west do not want Democracy in ME. That would require actually dealing with Governments that hate your guts. When you give Muslims democracy [like it or not] they will elect the most religious in many cases. Its much easier for US to get their oil when its a autocratic system otherwise do you think US would be getting ANY co operation from Arabs or Muslims?
 
There are some things that are b & w...that are absolute.

The penalties for apostasy in Islam.

That is not freedom. It's coercion and intimidation.

Black & white.

And they view the West's involvement as coercion and intimidation. They want to be free from that. No one said the freedom they fought for was absolute. It's not black and white.

In the vast majority of America it's illegal to sell something that is perfectly fine to give away for free.
 
And they view the West's involvement as coercion and intimidation. They want to be free from that. No one said the freedom they fought for was absolute. It's not black and white.
How does fighting for the power to impose an oppressive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?
 
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There is, of course, no simple yes or no to this one...
Man is mistaken if he thinks he can have all the freedom he wants - particularly now in our crowded society - it is far too easy to step on another man's toes.
Depending on ones perspective, the freedom fighter and terrorist can be one and the same, the terrorist is simply more extreme.
As I have said; its what they are fighting for..I think it is wrong for the Palestinian not to accept the Jew, but they disagree.
Both side must be respected..
As I recall, at one time they were living side by side in peace , but I do not know if this was true or not.....
Crowded is a key word.
 
How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?

You didn't say anything about theocracy. You just said oppression. Theocracy is an irrelevant qualifier. Washington oppressed Africans. The reason doesn't matter.
 
Penalties? Ohh, you mean Saudi Arabia with the beheadings? The same government who is best friends with US. No wai!

Do you know the history of this relationship?

When the Grand Mosque was seized by religious terrorists in 1979 the Saudi government needed religious permission to use arms within the sacred area to dispel the terrorists. The nation's religious leaders agreed to give the govt. permission to use arms just as long as the govt., in turn, agreed to participate in certain activities and fund certain projects.

It's like our Republicans and Democrats. Certain laws and activities exist only because of our need to co-exist and compromise.

Same with the Saudis.
 
You didn't say anything about theocracy. You just said oppression. Theocracy is an irrelevant qualifier. Washington oppressed Africans. The reason doesn't matter.
You didnt answer the question.
 
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Do you know the history of this relationship?.

It's like our Republicans and Democrats. Certain laws and activities exist only because of our need to co-exist and compromise.

Same with the Saudis.

Im well aware and you think that still matters?

Let me put this very clearly.
The west and in particular US cannot fly under the banner of freedom and human rights when money is going to opressive regimes. That is hypocritical and backwards.
 
Forcing people to live they way you want them to live is oppression.
Fighthing for the power to do so, therefore, is NOT fighting for freedom.

Does this mean you never supported the war in Iraq? Considering we decided to invade them because we wanted them to be a stable democracy? Imposing OUR system of beliefs, government on them?
 
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