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Thread: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Forcing people to live they way you want them to live is oppression.
    Fighthing for the power to do so, therefore, is NOT fighting for freedom.
    So Washington wasn't fighting for freedom?
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Sure. People fought for independence from Britain to set up America and rule it the way they wanted to.
    Fail. You're arguing apples and oranges.
    You know this, of course.

    Unless, of course, you're arguing that Hamas/Hezbollah/AQ are fighting to set up a country akin to ours, where people are free to do what they want as they want, so long as they do not impose upon others, and are protected from arbitrary acts by their government.

    Tell me:
    How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Fail. You're arguing apples and oranges.
    You know this, of course.

    Unless, of course, you're arguing that Hamas/Hezbollah/AQ are fighting to set up a country akin to ours, where people are free to do what they want as they want, so long as they do not impose upon others, and are protected from arbitrary acts by their government.

    Tell me:
    How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?
    Debating the close-minded is a waste of time. I hope others take my lead and ignore your humorous posts, leaving you to debate yourself. What a spectacle that would be!
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    There are some things that are b & w...that are absolute.

    The penalties for apostasy in Islam.

    That is not freedom. It's coercion and intimidation.

    Black & white.
    Penalties? Ohh, you mean Saudi Arabia with the beheadings? The same government who is best friends with US. No wai!

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Debating the close-minded is a waste of time. I hope others take my lead and ignore your humorous posts, leaving you to debate yourself. What a spectacle that would be!
    They've debating me. It seems as though they have no response.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Debating the close-minded is a waste of time.
    Indeed - and so, I am done with you.

    See, there's a reason you didn't asnwer my question -- its because you know that to answer it is to destroy your position.

    And you refuse to allow that to happen, which is why you refuse to answer it.

    Disagree?

    How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?

    That's what I thought.
    Buh-bye.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Has it ever occured to you that perhaps some Muslims do not WANT democracy?
    Then they may continue to follow the edicts of their Imams and the trilogy (Koran, Hadith and Sira) as they wish.

    They may ignore their birthright and continue letting others decide their fate.

    But the millions of purple fingers we saw in EVERY election Iraq has held suggest that MOST people DO want to participate in democracy.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Indeed - and so, I am done with you.

    See, there's a reason you didn't asnwer my question -- its because you know that to answer it is to destroy your position.

    And you refuse to allow that to happen, which is why you refuse to answer it.

    Disagree?

    How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?

    That's what I thought.
    Buh-bye.
    And thus he's limiting freedom fighting and terrorism to the middle-east and religious affairs.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    And thus he's limiting freedom fighting and terrorism to the middle-east and religious affairs.
    Not necessarily -- but it is the most obvious context in which to have the discussion.

    How does fighting for the power to impose an oppresive theocracy equate to fighting for freedom?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Then they may continue to follow the edicts of their Imams and the trilogy (Koran, Hadith and Sira) as they wish.

    They may ignore their birthright and continue letting others decide their fate.

    But the millions of purple fingers we saw in EVERY election Iraq has held suggest that MOST people DO want to participate in democracy.
    ... and i wonder how long it lasts until Iraqi's elect a extreme Government who dislikes US and US shuns them and calls them terrorists

    Lets all just accept fact, US or the west do not want Democracy in ME. That would require actually dealing with Governments that hate your guts. When you give Muslims democracy [like it or not] they will elect the most religious in many cases. Its much easier for US to get their oil when its a autocratic system otherwise do you think US would be getting ANY co operation from Arabs or Muslims?

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