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Thread: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Not if your entire family was blown up by a bomb that was dropped from an American warplane.
    Not at all sure how this addresses my post...?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... is freedom, defined as 'the removal of Israel from all of Palestine',ACTUAL freedom, or just their convenient defintion thereof?

    That is, are Hamas/Hezbollah planning to replace Israel with free, open societies and governments, where the people are free to act as they please, so long as they do not infringe on others, all while protected from arbitrary and capricious acts by their government?
    You misunderstand... Their version of freedom is not yours. That is where your problem lies.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    They want to be free from western involvement in their affairs. It doesn't have to be complete freedom like we enjoy.
    So... they are NOT fightng for freedom.

    I guess that addresses the issue well enough.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That is, are Hamas/Hezbollah planning to replace Israel with free, open societies and governments, where the people are free to act as they please, so long as they do not infringe on others, all while protected from arbitrary and capricious acts by their government?
    Those types of freedoms is western styled democracies. Muslims do not want secularism and in most cases the freedom to do as they please

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    They want to be free from western involvement in their affairs. It doesn't have to be complete freedom like we enjoy.
    As though freedom is a relative matter?

    If you can't worship according to your own wishes and beliefs then you are not free, are you?

    Read my sig.
    Last edited by bhkad; 02-06-09 at 01:06 PM.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not at all sure how this addresses my post...?
    you would not think of Al Quedia as a terrorist organization if your entire Afghan family was eliminated by an America Warplane; regardless of intent of the said warplane, or the American forces.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    You misunderstand... Their version of freedom is not yours. That is where your problem lies.
    "Freedom" has no "version". That is where YOUR porblem lies.

    Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    As though freedom is a relative matter?

    If you can't worship according to your own wishes and beliefs then you are not free, are you?
    Freedom is, like terrorism, subjective. I'm sorry to rain on your parade.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    you would not think of Al Quedia as a terrorist organization if your entire Afghan family was eliminated by an America Warplane; regardless of intent of the said warplane, or the American forces.
    Ok...
    You havent answered my question.

    Is AQ fighting for freedom?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Those types of freedoms is western styled democracies. Muslims do not want secularism and in most cases the freedom to do as they please
    Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.

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