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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Why is this a partisan issue? Do you only read the American version of history? Do you really not know how the British regarded the actions of some of the "founding fathers?"

    Would you call the lynching and tarring and feathering of civilian "stamp agents" legitimate actions of war? (hint - I've given you a phrase to google and research)


    Yeah, you're right. Americans revolting against the British military stationed on our soil and including an act of degradation against one of the officials responsible for robbing them blind and starving their families was no different from Hamas storing weapons in Kindergarten class rooms while launching missiles at Israel without provocation or Osama bin Laden sending terrorists here to slaughter American citizens, again without provocation.

    How silly of me. These things are clearly just alike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Just because you either don't understand the argument or can only see it from one side does not mean those who disagree with you are "grade school intellectual level liberals."
    Right. What indicates that liberals operate on a grade school intellectual level here is their inability to distinguish unprovoked aggression targeting innocent civilians in another country from engaging a military force occupying, bankrupting, and starving your children to death in your own country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    If you're going to use phrases like "obnoxiously stupid intellectual dishonesty" against your debating opponents then first raise your own research out of primary school level and come back when you know both sides of your own history.
    Research isn't the problem here. Logic is. And it's not the logic of the person correctly identifying terrorism (me) that needs fixing here.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    sure there is. pack it in and come home......


    if its such a horrible thing why do you want to keep troops there?
    Pack it in and come home. I agree.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Pack it in and come home. I agree.


    So then, I await to see you bashing Obama like Bush until they are home.


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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I wondered how long it would be before someone argued that 'Bush screwed up Iraq so bad that Obama can't bring the troops home like he promised'.

    3 weeks. Wow.

    Sure there is -- you order everyone home, just like The Obama promised.
    To bad we can't bring back Sadam and give the country back to him. Then we could get out.

    Tis the most pointless and stupid war that China has ever paid for and our troops have ever died for.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    To bad we can't bring back Sadam and give the country back to him. Then we could get out.

    Tis the most pointless and stupid war that China has ever paid for and our troops have ever died for.
    Nice thing about this country -- everyone has the right to express their opinion, regardless of how insipid.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    --snip-- Yeah, you're right. Americans revolting against the British military stationed on our soil and including an act of degradation against one of the officials
    Can you point out which legitimate source supports your premise that "America" was your soil at the time the "Sons of Liberty" were committing acts of terror on agents of the crown?

    You do know America was a colony at that time and that the "Americans" were at the time subjects of the crown. Or was the "War of Independence" about something else?

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    --snip-- responsible for robbing them blind and starving their families
    Please tell me you looked up the "Stamp Act" and why the British Sovereign wanted to tax the colonies. You might find something about that same tax paying for the troops stationed both as occupying force but also as protector.

    I'm not legitimising the "Stamp Act" - merely explaining why it was levied. The history books will tell you why the American colonials reacted against it as a heinous tax which gave them no power over their own affairs. The "Stamp Act" cost British citizens on UK soil 26 shillings a year while colonials only paid 1 shilling a year. It wasn't the economic effect that upset Adams and others - it was the lack of power the Act implied.

    Read your history - it must be embarrassing to have a Brit tell you your own history.

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    --snip-- was no different from Hamas storing weapons in Kindergarten class rooms while launching missiles at Israel without provocation or Osama bin Laden sending terrorists here to slaughter American citizens, again without provocation.

    How silly of me. These things are clearly just alike.
    Is the title of the thread about terrorism or about how only Americans can define it? "Terrorism" existed before missiles at Israel - if you are only going to equate terrorism to what the muslims are doing in the Middle East I just shudder to think what other understanding of world events you have.

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    About the only thing you got right. I'll wait for the standard retort that I must be a "Liberal"...

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    --snip-- Right. What indicates that liberals operate on a grade school intellectual level here is their inability to distinguish unprovoked aggression targeting innocent civilians in another country from engaging a military force occupying, bankrupting, and starving your children to death in your own country.
    Do American grade schools teach that "America" was your country before the War of Independence? I'd ask for your school fees back if I were you.

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    --snip-- Research isn't the problem here. Logic is. And it's not the logic of the person correctly identifying terrorism (me) that needs fixing here.
    Fabulous. Do you practice at this? You're really good you know, almost convincing.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I am using the United States definition of terrorism:


    U.S. Law Definition of Terrorism
    That isn't the "US" definition, it is the US law's definition. The state often has a problem with calling its own activities by their real name I find.

    Terrorists certainly the state and its agents, in fact they are the most numerous in history and where the word comes from.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So then, I await to see you bashing Obama like Bush until they are home.
    The difference is that I have wait and see what OBama does, because, It's Only Just Begun.

    With Bush, we went through years of pure hell and ended up with a practically ruined nation and economy. Bush was easy to Bash. Obama has not had a chance to Do anything.

    Remember that when FDR came into office, our country was at 25% unemployment, but just four years later that had dropped to 15%, and when WW2 had started unemployment down to 7%. the war finished it off.

    In this case the war, borrowing from abroad and shifting manufacturing abroad has ruined us. We need to become a nation again instead of a pawn to some vague Deadly Corporate and Greed run network called OPEC.

    I believe in capitalism, but I believe that Capitalism has to regulated for the good of America. I don't believe in government ownership of business, but I believe in strong regulation of corporations. Other wise we have another Bush government that allow corporations to run rampant, and **** up the goood Ole USA.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    The difference is that I have wait and see what OBama does, because, It's Only Just Begun.
    You do not. There is no reason He could not have issued the orders home on January 21st.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Can you point out which legitimate source supports your premise that "America" was your soil at the time the "Sons of Liberty" were committing acts of terror on agents of the crown?

    You do know America was a colony at that time and that the "Americans" were at the time subjects of the crown. Or was the "War of Independence" about something else?
    how is it terrorism if they are attacking agents of the crown ?

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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