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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    --snip-- the lynching --snip--
    Very probably got that bit wrong, according to some of the American books I've looked at since that post, the Sons of Liberty are not acknowledged to have deliberately killed any of the Stamp Agents - though the use of terror to force them out of their job is widely acknowledged.

    PHILOSOPHY AND TACTICS

    The Sons of Liberty were responsible for many acts of mob violence. They typically tarred and feathered tax collectors. Contrary to popular conceptions and British propaganda, being tarred and feathered did not kill anyone. A tax collector would be roused out of his home, painted with warm tar, and then covered with chicken feathers. The stamp agent was not stripped of his clothing and the tar was never hot enough to burn his skin. However, he was covered with chicken feathers, which, unlike duck or goose down, are scratchy and uncomfortable. The tax collector was then placed on a wooden rail and carried out of town. As he was carried, the Sons of Liberty and other townspeople would shout abuse at him. The process was frightening and humiliating. The taxman would be left with bruises, scratches, ruined clothes, as well as emotional trauma.

    The Sons of Liberty never deliberately killed anyone. They sought to scare tax collectors into quitting their job.
    Book Sources:

    Hoerder, Dirk. Crowd Action in Revolutionary Massachusetts, 1765–1780. New York: Academic Press, 1977.

    Maier, Pauline. From Resistance to Revolution: Colonial Radicals and the Development of American Opposition to Britain, 1765–1776. New York: Knopf, 1972.

    Alexander, John K. Samuel Adams: America's Revolutionary Politician. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002.

    Dawson, Henry B. The Sons of Liberty in New York. New York: Arno Press and the New York Times, 1969.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Well it's a good thing Obama came along and ended the Iraq war. Oh wait.
    Not yet brother not yet, Bush made things in Iraq so difficult, there is not a clear way out of the quagmire.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Not yet brother not yet, Bush made things in Iraq so difficult, there is not a clear way out of the quagmire.
    sure there is. pack it in and come home......


    if its such a horrible thing why do you want to keep troops there?


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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Not yet brother not yet, Bush made things in Iraq so difficult, there is not a clear way out of the quagmire.
    I wondered how long it would be before someone argued that 'Bush screwed up Iraq so bad that Obama can't bring the troops home like he promised'.

    3 weeks. Wow.

    Sure there is -- you order everyone home, just like The Obama promised.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Let me spell this out for you, so that there is no way you can fail to grasp it:

    the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents

    Okay. So premeditated means that one knows what they are doing an has planned an action before hand. The US government knew that they would kill plenty of innocents. A noncombatant is someone not in combat. That would make civilians and noncombatants synonymous.

    What are you having trouble with, again?
    Again:
    Attacking a military target and killing civilians in the process isn't terrorism.
    That and the USAAF is neither a sunbational group nor a clandestine agent.

    Seems ptretty clear to me -- not sure why YOU have trouble with it.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Again:
    Attacking a military target and killing civilians in the process isn't terrorism.
    That and the USAAF is neither a sunbational group nor a clandestine agent.

    Seems ptretty clear to me -- not sure why YOU have trouble with it.
    So the bay of pigs, where the CIA trained and funded a clandestine group for the invasion of Cuba, was not a terrorist act?
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    So the bay of pigs, where the CIA trained and funded a clandestine group for the invasion of Cuba, was not a terrorist act?
    The Bay of Pigs was not terrorism, by any stretch of the imagination.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The Bay of Pigs was not terrorism, by any stretch of the imagination.
    Please, feel free to explain why.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Please, feel free to explain why.




    You made the claim it was, the onus is on you to say how.


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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Please, feel free to explain why.
    You seem to think that it is. Its up to you to show how it fits the definition

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