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Thread: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Under the definition, they are. Thanks for making my case.
    Your case isn't even close to being made, given the examples you've provided.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Your case isn't even close to being made, given the examples you've provided.
    Let me spell this out for you, so that there is no way you can fail to grasp it:

    the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents

    Okay. So premeditated means that one knows what they are doing an has planned an action before hand. The US government knew that they would kill plenty of innocents. A noncombatant is someone not in combat. That would make civilians and noncombatants synonymous.

    What are you having trouble with, again?
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Nothing better demonstrates the grade school intellectual level liberals operate on than this "moral equivalence" blather that leaves them treating it as some baffling "eye of the beholder" mystery whether Osama bin Laden is any different from George Washington.

    The difference obviously revolves around the deliberate targeting of civilians, which Islamic terrorists clearly do. Washington trying to drive an invading foreign military from our soil is not even in the same ballpark. This obnoxiously stupid intellectual dishonesty shouldn't even be taken seriously by thinking, adult human beings (conservatives).
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    This obnoxiously stupid intellectual dishonesty shouldn't even be acknowledged.
    Yet you acknowledged it.

    Funny.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Yet you acknowledged it.

    Funny.
    What a devastating comeback.

    Congratulations there, Sparky. You've just managed to comprehend that, in order to address the irrelevance of an issue, one must actually mention that issue.

    Way to think it through.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    What a devastating comeback.

    Congratulations there, Sparky. You've just managed to comprehend that, in order to address the irrelevance of an issue, one must actually mention that issue.

    Way to think it through.
    So you admit that you were trolling?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Let me spell this out for you, so that there is no way you can fail to grasp it:

    the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents
    Since when has it meant this? 9/11?

    States are as able, and historically more likely, to use terror as any of these groups. The very term comes from the Jacobin "Terrorists" who murdered tens of thousands of innocents.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Since when has it meant this? 9/11?

    States are as able, and historically more likely, to use terror as any of these groups. The very term comes from the Jacobin "Terrorists" who murdered tens of thousands of innocents.
    I am using the United States definition of terrorism:
    the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
    U.S. Law Definition of Terrorism
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Let me spell this out for you, so that there is no way you can fail to grasp it:

    the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents

    Okay. So premeditated means that one knows what they are doing an has planned an action before hand. The US government knew that they would kill plenty of innocents. A noncombatant is someone not in combat. That would make civilians and noncombatants synonymous.

    What are you having trouble with, again?
    The United States is not a subnational group.

    Civilians are not necessarily noncombatants. You know, like all of the insurgents in Iraq. (Unless, of course, you argue that they belong to someone's military, and in that case, whose?)
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Terrorism is a set of actions that meet a given critera.

    That criteria usually involves deliberately attacking non-combatants in order to use fear as a means to a political end.

    Unless someones' action meet that criteria, it doesnt matter who -calls- them a terrorist -- they are not.
    What military targets made the firebombing of Dresden legitimate?

    Personally I believe the old adage that war begets all sorts of horrors but your own definition means that suddenly many actions during war can be questioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Nothing better demonstrates the grade school intellectual level liberals operate on than this "moral equivalence" blather that leaves them treating it as some baffling "eye of the beholder" mystery whether Osama bin Laden is any different from George Washington.
    Why is this a partisan issue? Do you only read the American version of history? Do you really not know how the British regarded the actions of some of the "founding fathers?"

    Would you call the lynching and tarring and feathering of civilian "stamp agents" legitimate actions of war? (hint - I've given you a phrase to google and research)

    Just because you either don't understand the argument or can only see it from one side does not mean those who disagree with you are "grade school intellectual level liberals."

    If you're going to use phrases like "obnoxiously stupid intellectual dishonesty" against your debating opponents then first raise your own research out of primary school level and come back when you know both sides of your own history.

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