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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Then what is the difference between that and state sponsored terrorism? ie - Atomic bombings in Japan.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Then what is the difference between that and state sponsored terrorism? ie - Atomic bombings in Japan.
    Totally different. Declared war between 2 nations is not terrorism. The Nazis were not tried and convicted of dropping bombs on England and other nations. They were tried and convicted of murder. If you want to call dropping bombs terrorism then the entire world is guilty, not just the USA.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you agree? Why? Why not?
    Of course. The British government regarded our forefathers as terrorists. And don't forget Thomas Jefferson, who said that the tree of liberty must be sometimes refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course. The British government regarded our forefathers as terrorists. And don't forget Thomas Jefferson, who said that the tree of liberty must be sometimes refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


    Right. Because Jefferson was all about time-bombing restaurants, and what he had in mind when he wrote that was maximizing civilian casualties.

    This is patently absurd. There are rebels who use terrorist tactics. But not all rebels do. Our Founding Fathers did not. They were traitors to the Crown. But they were not terrorists.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    The founding fathers were fighting against a dictator and tyranny. The terrorists are the ones who want to establish a dictator and tyranny. Some people are very confused. Getting their talking points from Rosie O'Donnell is not very wise.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    Right. Because Jefferson was all about time-bombing restaurants, and what he had in mind when he wrote that was maximizing civilian casualties.

    This is patently absurd. There are rebels who use terrorist tactics. But not all rebels do. Our Founding Fathers did not. They were traitors to the Crown. But they were not terrorists.

    That is debatable... They may not have used the term, since it was not thought of until the French Revolution in those terms... but did use terror tactics and some were ordered by the Founding Fathers themselves. Just because portions of the Army were legit does not mean that those that fought on the Western Front were not brutal beheading terrorists....




    Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan, at Head-Quarters May 31, 1779

    The Expedition you are appointed to command is to be directed against the hostile tribes of the Six Nations of Indians, with their associates and adherents. The immediate objects are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements, and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops now in the ground and prevent their planting more.

    I would recommend, that some post in the center of the Indian Country, should be occupied with all expedition, with a sufficient quantity of provisions whence parties should be detached to lay waste all the settlements around, with instructions to do it in the most effectual manner, that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed.

    But you will not by any means listen to any overture of peace before the total ruinment of their settlements is effected. Our future security will be in their inability to injure us and in the terror with which the severity of the chastisement they receive will inspire them

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    There is nothing "implied" about his orders. They are crystal clear. "in the terror with which the severity of the chastisement they receive ".

    Terrorize the enemy and it's people by using tactics so severe that they will never again rise against us. It is that these orders are issued and to be used against settlements. Not forts. Not troops. Settlements, which are villages that house woman and children. Women and children that lived in forts were not target, but the forces and the forts themselves are. Settlements are, by definition, different in nature and purpose than a fort or military outpost

    Terrorism is not solely about killing people. It is about terrorrizing them. Washington and his men were generally upstanding and great men. They fought a noble cause and a good war. They fought with honor just about every single time. They minimized hurt to civilians whenever they could, if it was to white people. There are simply a couple of instances when they did not act in accordance with the nobility that we grant them. They were in error sometimes, that is all. Just as everybody else has been. The British, the Indians, the French... I just think that we should be honest about some things too.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    You may agree or disagree with its severity, but it was a military campaign conducted against an enemy during a time of war.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I agree. They are fighting for their freedom to oppress. That is not freedom for the masses. That is what I am talking about. Individual freedom. The freedom to chart your own course in life. That is the freedom our founding fathers fought for. That is not the kind of freedom the terrorists are fighting for. That's why comparing our founding fathers to the terrorists of today is hilarious.
    You can compare anything to anything. Things don't have to be similar to compare. The FF weren't saints. They oppressed women and black people. It doesn't mean that they were terrorists or insane whackjobs. I can compare a banana to a Corvette if I want to. They don't have to be similar in all aspects to be compared.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    For the life of me I can not understand how some of you can support an organization that is responsible for suicide bombings of civilians. And you call them freedom fighters? I call them terrorist, cowards of the worst kind. Suicide is not an act of bravery and when they target civilians they loose the right to be called freedom fighters.The same goes for any group that uses these tactics regardles of their religion, race, nationality, or tribe.
    I don't call them freedom fighters as a compliment. I don't call them freedom fighters at all. That isn't the point of this thread. I am only saying that I can see how their supporters do. I don't call our side terrorists but I can see how they do. It doesn't make it right. It is what it is.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You may agree or disagree with its severity, but it was a military campaign conducted against an enemy during a time of war.
    It wasn't just military... It was conducted against women and children by Enlightened men professing the highest values for personal rights and freedom. I understand your point, but I made my point and I am sure that you see it for what it is.
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