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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Some members of the pIRA did not engage in terrorist tactics. They attacked the RUC and British soldiers. Others did engage in terrorist activities. I made no claims about independent activities. There is no doubt that occasionally, terrorist actions were sanctioned by the higher-ups, but that was not the standard behavior of the pIRA.

    Also, if one wants to label a person a terrorist, one must look at that individual's personal actions, not just the actions of the group to which they belong.

    I'm not saying that they acted independently, necessarily, but anyone familiar with the South Armagh branch can attest to the fact that there was much much more autonomy than you suggest within the IRA as well as different tactics based on the sect.
    I'd be very suprised if the leadership were not involved in a lot of the bombings and such attacks.

    For decades McGuinness swore he was not at the "bloody Sunday" march until he was basically forced to admit it.

    The IRA like a lot of the Protestant groups were up to their eye balls in organised crime as well. They're not chivalrous freedom fighers mostly despite the continued support of Fenianism from America.




    "Vast" majority?

    Maybe in Antrim and Down, but most definitely not in Armagh, Fermanagh, Derry, or Tyrone, which all currently have a Catholic majority.

    There may be an overall Protestant majority, but in 4 out of 6 counties there is a Catholic Majority. Not really a convincing argument regarding "vast majority" of Northern Ireland being Unionist.
    Catholic does not necessarily mean republican. I think that about 65% of Ulstermen are Unionists at the moment. I personally think those border counties that are very much Republican should be given to Eire.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I'd be very suprised if the leadership were not involved in a lot of the bombings and such attacks.
    As would I. I'm not talking about the leadership, I'm talking about the individuals who were IRA members. Some never engaged in terrorism.


    Catholic does not necessarily mean republican. I think that about 65% of Ulstermen are Unionists at the moment. I personally think those border counties that are very much Republican should be given to Eire.
    65% is way off, Wessex. 68% of Protestants are Unionist, but overall using the total population, the numbers are 38% Unionist, 24% Republican, and 35% "Neither"

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Okay to all those that dont agree that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...

    what about

    Luis Posada Carriles?

    Here you have a man, convicted of blowing up an airplane, and yet protected by the US. Is he a freedom fighter because the plane was Cuban and he is a cuban exile or is he no better than a Hamas bomber that blows himself up in a disco?

    Which is it?
    How is he "protected" by the US? The Bush Administration sought to keep him imprisoned as a terrorist; it was a state court who authorized his bail.

    The only thing that remotely resembles "protecting" him was an immigration judge ruling that he could not be deported because he would face torture in Venezuela.

    So, I'll ask you the same thing -- which is it? Should the Bush Administration simply have kept him locked up indefinitely in contravention of a court order? Should it have deported him to another country where there was reason to believe he faced torture?

    Or do you simply criticize in any way it's possible to do so with no regard for consistent principle?
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    I can see what you are saying. It depends on where you are, what you believe and politics.

    During the Bush administration, I sort of considered myself a freedom fighter.

    Bush and his cronies were so busy trying harm the USA and get his rich buddies richer. We still have our pointless endless war against the Iraqi people.
    I guess that would be true if you call terrorists and religious thugs the "iraqi people".

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Again, freedom is different for each group of people. It is all subjective. The sooner you realize this the better.
    When you are sick, you are sick. When you are well, you are well. When you are hungry, you are hungry. When you are oppressed, you are oppressed. When you are free, you are free.

    Nothing subjective about freedom. Unless, of course, you are trying to be politically correct.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    When you are sick, you are sick. When you are well, you are well. When you are hungry, you are hungry. When you are oppressed, you are oppressed. When you are free, you are free.

    Nothing subjective about freedom. Unless, of course, you are trying to be politically correct.
    This really isn't about PC.

    Freedom isn't absolute. There are different degrees. No one is arguing that the terrorists aren't oppressive. They are fighting essentially for the freedom to oppress. I know, it sounds stupid. It's like the whole conundrum with tolerating intolerance.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    As would I. I'm not talking about the leadership, I'm talking about the individuals who were IRA members. Some never engaged in terrorism.




    65% is way off, Wessex. 68% of Protestants are Unionist, but overall using the total population, the numbers are 38% Unionist, 24% Republican, and 35% "Neither"

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    Well unionists consistently get the most votes, surely that demonstrates a high level of support? Also if only 24% of the population classes themselves as republican then surely that would surgest most are against a united ireland?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    This really isn't about PC.

    Freedom isn't absolute. There are different degrees. No one is arguing that the terrorists aren't oppressive. They are fighting essentially for the freedom to oppress. I know, it sounds stupid. It's like the whole conundrum with tolerating intolerance.
    I agree. They are fighting for their freedom to oppress. That is not freedom for the masses. That is what I am talking about. Individual freedom. The freedom to chart your own course in life. That is the freedom our founding fathers fought for. That is not the kind of freedom the terrorists are fighting for. That's why comparing our founding fathers to the terrorists of today is hilarious.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    For the life of me I can not understand how some of you can support an organization that is responsible for suicide bombings of civilians. And you call them freedom fighters? I call them terrorist, cowards of the worst kind. Suicide is not an act of bravery and when they target civilians they loose the right to be called freedom fighters.The same goes for any group that uses these tactics regardles of their religion, race, nationality, or tribe.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    For the life of me I can not understand how some of you can support an organization that is responsible for suicide bombings of civilians. And you call them freedom fighters? I call them terrorist, cowards of the worst kind. Suicide is not an act of bravery and when they target civilians they loose the right to be called freedom fighters.The same goes for any group that uses these tactics regardles of their religion, race, nationality, or tribe.
    Then what is the difference between that and state sponsored terrorism? ie - Atomic bombings in Japan.

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