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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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    There is no doubt that some members of the pIRA most definitely engaged in terrorism, but it was not a universal tactic employed by every member of the pIRA.
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    So your claiming some member of the P.I.R.A acted independantly? I think thats highly unlikely given how the P.I.R.A enforced such a ridgid system of discipline over there members [Not to mention the catholic community as a whole]. Though i except that they had *very* legitimate grevences ild dispute that the P.I.R.A were fighting for freedom when they were fighting against what the vast majority of people in NI wanted. The whole reason Northern Ireland was created in the first place was that most of those living there didnt want to be part of Eire. How was fighting against their wishes fighting for freedom?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I understand what you're saying in its entirety, and its pretty stupid of you to assume I do not.

    What YOU seem to have trouble with is that to be a "freedom fighter" you have to be fighting for actual freedom.
    Again, freedom is different for each group of people. It is all subjective. The sooner you realize this the better.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    freedom fighters using terrorist tactics
    the last part kind of moots the previous part
    How do you figure? You can surely kill innocent people of the opposing faction while still fighting for the freedom of your own people.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    How do you figure? You can surely kill innocent people of the opposing faction while still fighting for the freedom of your own people.
    Hamas, Al-Qaida and radical Islam are not fighting for the freedom of their people.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-09-09 at 05:50 PM.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Hamas, Al-Qaida and radical Islam are not fighting for the freedom of their people.
    They are fighting for freedom from Israel.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    They are fighting for freedom from Israel.
    /fail, try again.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    /fail, try again.
    Convincing argument. I think I will pass.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    So your claiming some member of the P.I.R.A acted independantly? I think thats highly unlikely given how the P.I.R.A enforced such a ridgid system of discipline over there members [Not to mention the catholic community as a whole].

    Some members of the pIRA did not engage in terrorist tactics. They attacked the RUC and British soldiers. Others did engage in terrorist activities. I made no claims about independent activities. There is no doubt that occasionally, terrorist actions were sanctioned by the higher-ups, but that was not the standard behavior of the pIRA.

    Also, if one wants to label a person a terrorist, one must look at that individual's personal actions, not just the actions of the group to which they belong.

    I'm not saying that they acted independently, necessarily, but anyone familiar with the South Armagh branch can attest to the fact that there was much much more autonomy than you suggest within the IRA as well as different tactics based on the sect.


    Though i except that they had *very* legitimate grevences ild dispute that the P.I.R.A were fighting for freedom when they were fighting against what the vast majority of people in NI wanted. The whole reason Northern Ireland was created in the first place was that most of those living there didnt want to be part of Eire. How was fighting against their wishes fighting for freedom?


    "Vast" majority?

    Maybe in Antrim and Down, but most definitely not in Armagh, Fermanagh, Derry, or Tyrone, which all currently have a Catholic majority.

    There may be an overall Protestant majority, but in 4 out of 6 counties there is a Catholic Majority. Not really a convincing argument regarding "vast majority" of Northern Ireland being Unionist.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    I'd say it was generally but no completely true.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    you could probably make a pretty good argument that Al Qaeda is trying to install theocratic totalitarianism, however fascism is not just a byword for totalitarianism, it's specific manifestation of totalitarianism.

    Fascism is totally incompatible with Islamic totalitarianism for a lot of reasons, most important being fascism's nationalism (which is totally the opposite of Islamic totalitarianism's pan-nationalism) and fascism's enthusiastic acceptance of industrial modernity (versus Islamic totalitarianism's obsession with returning to pre-industrial antiquity).

    Fascism does not simply mean "bad" or "totalitarian" and terms like "Islamofascism" are nothing but meaningless propaganda which not only confuses our battle with Islamic totalitarianism but degrades the meaning of fascism.

    Fascism was a very distinct, and distinctly evil, thing. To dilute its meaning to "they're bad authoritarians" diminishes the lesson that their evil has taught us.
    Can I just say you are completely right here. They're not fascists and to use the term is just another example of the misuse of terminology.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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