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Thread: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    bull****, rightwingers are completely serious when you use terms like "Islamofascist" and I just indefensibly called you out on it.

    You're wrong. Don't call them fascists.

    Because they're not.

    Next will be a lesson on how a social democrat is not a socialist.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Really?
    Every fighter is fighting for freedom. It may not appear as freedom to you, probably because you have a highly horrid bias toward Islam, but to someone it is a fight for freedom. Your opinion, your existence, does not out-weight that of an Islamic fundamentalist; i'm sorry to inform you that the world is not meant for humans, but for the cultivation of germs by the Tramalafordores.
    I like how you're trying to change the topic from what radical Islam is fighting for to my personal credibility. It's a good attempt at trolling, but fails in its transparency.

    You see new coupe, that's how you deal with trolls: call them out instead of feeding them. I like to counter toll troll, like when I make a point that Al-Qaida is not fighting for freedom and therefore the OP's comparison doesn't apply and you start down some tangent on how I mislabeled Al-Qaida while totally ignoring the point I made.

    Yes, I just called you a troll, and a weak one at that

    Now if you can dispense with these sidetracks may we please debate the issue at hand?

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Islam does not fight for anyone's freedom.

    Islam fights to bring about Armageddon and a resulting global theocracy.
    I think those muslims that are fighting the Taliban in Pakistan and Afganistan would object to that statement Also bear in mind that if all 1 billion odd Muslims in the world were *all* fighting for the same cause then we would be in the middle of ww3. The war on terror has really been quite tame so far in comparision to much of the conflict in the 20th century.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    bull****, rightwingers are completely serious when you use terms like "Islamofascist" and I just indefensibly called you out on it.
    I'm not a republican, btw.

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    You're wrong. Don't call them fascists.
    They're all faciasts. The whole lot of them

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    Because they're not.
    Even though they are.

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    Next will be a lesson on how a social democrat is not a socialist.
    Whoohoo, another tangent that has NOTHING to do with the thread

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    I think those muslims that are fighting the Taliban in Pakistan and Afganistan would object to that statement Also bear in mind that if all 1 billion odd Muslims in the world were *all* fighting for the same cause then we would be in the middle of ww3. The war on terror has really been quite tame so far in comparision to much of the conflict in the 20th century.
    I think those Muslims that are fighting the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan would read the part where I'm speaking about Al-Qaida, Hamas and "radical Islam".

    You're another troll to add to the collection.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think those Muslims that are fighting the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan would read the part where I'm speaking about Al-Qaida, Hamas and "radical Islam".

    You're another troll to add to the collection.
    You didn't seem to mention "radical Islam" in any of your posts, instead just using basic generalizations:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057916644-post182.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057916678-post187.html

    Here comes the trolling label. I noticed that when he got smacked in the face with his use of the term Islamic facism.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And yet you have no problem supporting their cause, and their fund raising in the US even to this day? Is that not a bit hypocritical? Or do you support the Palestinian movement to be free of Israeli oppression?
    You missread my statemnt. I said in refering to the IRA "I had sympathy for the IRA's cause of freedom. But there tactic of purposefully targeting civilians was unacceptable. They were terrorist."

    The IRA were terrorist. There goal was not the destruction of Britain and the death of all Brits. There goal was freedom for Ireland.

    Hamas stated goal is the destruction of Israel and to drive all Israelis into the sea. They use terrorist tactics to achieve this goal. They will not settle for two nation states. Hamas uses tactics with the intent to kill civilians. They are a terrorist organization just as the IRA was a terrorist organization.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you agree? Why? Why not?
    Does it matter? One man's thief is another man's good father. One man's criminal is another man's survivor. There is enemy and non-enemy. Playing around with philosophical meaning and understanding does not address these issues. There's wrong and right.

    And the idea that these terrorists, who are not seeking "freedom" for even their own people, are somehow "freedom" fighters, is beyond ludicrous. And this is largely a leftist's argument. It only leads to an outcry for legitimacy towards people who have proven to be more than capable of slaughtering their own people for their ideals, which is not "freedom."

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    The IRA were terrorist. There goal was not the destruction of Britain and the death of all Brits. There goal was freedom for Ireland.

    You are describing a very real category of terrorist. People pass off the notion that a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, but this is ignorant. What you described above is considered a "PRACTICAL" Terrorist. He can be dealt with and talked to because he seeks a worldy agenda for the betterment of his people. His goals are attainable. An "APOCALYPTIC" terrorist cannot be reasoned with. His goal is to punish and his reward is beyond this world. Most religious terrorists in history fall into this category. They are dreamers and impractical vionaries. Put simply, these types have to be put down.

    In dealing with these enemies, we have to able to identify what we are talking about in order to determine the best path. When we talk of "PRACTICAL" terrorists, the term "freedom" fighter can apply. When we are talking about "APOCALYPTIC" Terrorist, we must consider his goal and acknowledge that "freedom" isn't it.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I like how you're trying to change the topic from what radical Islam is fighting for to my personal credibility. It's a good attempt at trolling, but fails in its transparency.

    You see new coupe, that's how you deal with trolls: call them out instead of feeding them. I like to counter toll troll, like when I make a point that Al-Qaida is not fighting for freedom and therefore the OP's comparison doesn't apply and you start down some tangent on how I mislabeled Al-Qaida while totally ignoring the point I made.

    Yes, I just called you a troll, and a weak one at that

    Now if you can dispense with these sidetracks may we please debate the issue at hand?
    Well when I said you, I really meant the collective you. I have no qualms with you Jerry, you just so happen to be the one I was referring to.

    My point, which was in my post as well, is that in the eyes of every fighter they are fighting freedom from or for or to something. Whether it's the political sovereignty our fore-fathers fought for, the freedom of the restrictions of Earth which religious extremists fight for. But overly, the main thing people fight for is the freedom to choose. The freedom to choose whether they want a theocracy, or a democracy.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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