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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    For you to be consistent in your logic here you'll have to give the terrorists a 100 years.
    Meh, I'd only giving them four score and 7 years.

    Give or take a couple.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Meh, I'd only giving them four score and 7 years.

    Give or take a couple.
    I wanted to say 10 score, but I was limited to slavery.
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    If Hamas never deployed terrorist tactics with the intent to kill civilians they would not be considered terrorist. Hamas is responsible for suicide attacks targeting civilians. These attacks deliberatly target civilians that is why they are terrorist. There people may call them a resistence movement but they are terrorist plan and simple.
    You know, we used to have a terrorist movement here in the UK (there have been lots actually) not so long ago - called the IRA. They carried out bombings to kill civilians - I will concede they sometimes phoned the police to warn them of where their bombs were so innocent civilians could be evacuated but often they didn't.

    1973 - 10 car bombs left to kill innocent civilians. 2 were found but eventually 1 innocent killed and 180 injured.

    1974 - bomb on a coach carrying soldiers AND their families, 11 dead.

    1974 - first of the pub bombs (bombs placed in public bars) kills 2 soldiers, 3 civilians and injures 50.

    1974, - second series of pub bombings, this time in Birmingham kills 21.

    Series of small atacks continue in England but next major attack is 1984 - when the IRA tied to assassinate Margaret Thatcher and the UK Govt with the Brighton bombs.

    1993 - Warrington, bomb kills two children

    1993 - Warrington, bombs on gas meters (first of the economic target attacks)

    1993 - IRA returns to bomb London, attacking the "city" financial district. Bishopsgate attacked

    1996 - Canary Wharf, yet another civilian target bombed. 2 killed.

    1997 - Arndale centre, Manchester bombed injuring 200 people.

    I'm not even touching IRA bombings in Northern Ireland - far too many to count but you do also know the IRA received money, support and weapons from the US through NORAID, marches by known terrorists were held in America?

    You obviously have a thing about Hamas, all I'm asking is that you recognise that your outrage against Hamas and their targeting civilians is only following what countless other terrorist organisations have done. I'm fairly certain if Hamas held marches in the US however or set up fundraising that your reaction would probably be quite different.

    It's all, as was mentioned on page one - about perspective.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I'm fairly certain if Hamas held marches in the US however or set up fundraising that your reaction would probably be quite different.
    Hamas is listed as a FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization) by the United States government.

    Source: US Department of State - Office of Counterterrorism

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    --snip--I'm fairly certain if Hamas held marches in the US however or set up fundraising that your reaction would probably be quite different --snip--
    Hamas is listed as a FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization) by the United States government --snip--
    Agreed, but if that is counterpoint to mention of the IRA walking around freely in the US and getting money and weapons then this may help -

    Q: Why isn't the IRA on the list?

    There is a strong body of evidence documenting historic IRA involvement in terrorist activity. This evidence precedes the time, two years ago, when we first considered designating the IRA as an FTO.

    At that time, the Secretary of State took note of the IRA's unequivocal cease-fire, as well as the subsequent decision by the British government that the cease-fire was "genuine in word and deed." This permitted Sinn Fein to join inclusive, all-party talks in Belfast.

    The peace process in Northern Ireland continues, albeit not without obvious difficulties, and we have again determined that the IRA should not be designated at this time. We are, however, concerned over recent indications of increased terrorist activity in Northern Ireland, and we will continue to monitor closely the activities of all paramilitary groups.

    Q: What happens if the IRA carries out another act of terrorism, such as killing a police officer or blowing up a police station?

    We will not speculate on hypothetical situations. We expect the IRA to adhere to its responsibility to maintain the cease-fire. Obviously, any resumption of violence by the IRA would have a direct impact on the ongoing review.
    US State Dept

    Basically, after 20+ years of targeting innocent civilians in England (they never bombed Scotland or Wales) the US State dept only considered listing the IRA when the IRA started secret peace talks with the UK govt.

    And what happened to the IRA? They are now in Govt, they too used proxy bombs (human bombs) if only for a short while and the final point is that the "real IRA" the hardcore that refused to join the peace accords was listed as an FTO in 2005.

    State Govt 2005 list

    Current List of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations

    1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
    2. Abu Sayyaf Group
    3. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
    4. Ansar al-Islam
    5. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
    6. Asbat al-Ansar
    7. Aum Shinrikyo
    8. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
    9. Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA)
    10. Continuity Irish Republican Army
    11. Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
    12. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
    13. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
    14. Hizballah (Party of God)
    15. Islamic Jihad Group
    16. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
    17. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)
    18. Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI)
    19. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
    20. Kahane Chai (Kach)
    21. Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK)
    22. Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous)
    23. Lashkar i Jhangvi
    24. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
    25. Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
    26. Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM)
    27. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
    28. National Liberation Army (ELN)
    29. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
    30. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
    31. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLF)
    32. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
    33. Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR) (al-Qaida in Iraq) (formerly Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad, JTJ, al-Zarqawi Network)
    34. al-Qa’ida
    35. al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (formerly GSPC)
    36. Real IRA
    37. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
    38. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)
    39. Revolutionary Organization 17 November
    40. Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
    41. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
    42. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)
    And NORAID is still around in the US, still fundraising and still supporting the remnants of the IRA that did not join the peace agreement.

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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Anyone seen Red Dawn? One of my favorite bad movies of all time. Basically Iraq only in America. Illustrates the poll question quite well I think.


    You are kidding right?



    not the same thing at all.


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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You know, we used to have a terrorist movement here in the UK (there have been lots actually) not so long ago - called the IRA. They carried out bombings to kill civilians - I will concede they sometimes phoned the police to warn them of where their bombs were so innocent civilians could be evacuated but often they didn't.

    1973 - 10 car bombs left to kill innocent civilians. 2 were found but eventually 1 innocent killed and 180 injured.

    1974 - bomb on a coach carrying soldiers AND their families, 11 dead.

    1974 - first of the pub bombs (bombs placed in public bars) kills 2 soldiers, 3 civilians and injures 50.

    1974, - second series of pub bombings, this time in Birmingham kills 21.

    Series of small atacks continue in England but next major attack is 1984 - when the IRA tied to assassinate Margaret Thatcher and the UK Govt with the Brighton bombs.

    1993 - Warrington, bomb kills two children

    1993 - Warrington, bombs on gas meters (first of the economic target attacks)

    1993 - IRA returns to bomb London, attacking the "city" financial district. Bishopsgate attacked

    1996 - Canary Wharf, yet another civilian target bombed. 2 killed.

    1997 - Arndale centre, Manchester bombed injuring 200 people.

    I'm not even touching IRA bombings in Northern Ireland - far too many to count but you do also know the IRA received money, support and weapons from the US through NORAID, marches by known terrorists were held in America?

    You obviously have a thing about Hamas, all I'm asking is that you recognise that your outrage against Hamas and their targeting civilians is only following what countless other terrorist organisations have done. I'm fairly certain if Hamas held marches in the US however or set up fundraising that your reaction would probably be quite different.

    It's all, as was mentioned on page one - about perspective.

    Please read post #147, Thankyou
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Okay to all those that dont agree that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...

    what about

    Luis Posada Carriles?

    Here you have a man, convicted of blowing up an airplane, and yet protected by the US. Is he a freedom fighter because the plane was Cuban and he is a cuban exile or is he no better than a Hamas bomber that blows himself up in a disco?

    Which is it?
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Please read post #147, Thankyou
    And yet you have no problem supporting their cause, and their fund raising in the US even to this day? Is that not a bit hypocritical? Or do you support the Palestinian movement to be free of Israeli oppression?
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    Re: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    For you to be consistent in your logic here you'll have to give the terrorists a 100 years.
    Our forefathers had ideals of freedom. Islam doesn't.

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