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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    No one has said its ok. Its just that hurting someones feelings isn't an offense that warrants criminal punishment.

    It is more than just, "hurting someones feelings"

    Look, if neither you or rivrat are prepared to be honest about that, then just move on.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Adultery RUINS families, not just feelings. Its so wrong to think it just hurts feelings.
    No, Max. Just, no.

    DIVORCE ruins families. Adultery might ruin, or at the very least severely affect the relationship between the two married partners, but it only ruins the family if they choose to end the marriage as a result. I can't count the number of couples I know who have gotten over adultery for the sake of keeping the family together.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Actually, several people have argued just that. No one has offered this "legit" reason you mystically speak of but never enlighten us with.
    I have... and you know it. These little games, I swear
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    On top of the precedent this would set for civil contracts:

    I'm a strong believer that the gov't shouldn't do anything that's not absolutely necessary (I usually describe such as a "compelling interest"); limited/small gov't. So I'm very paranoid when people want to expand the gov't and spend more tax payer money at the drop of a hat for something of questionable effect. That's all.
    In truth, I would only support it if it were paid for by the couple as part of teh divorce proceedings.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Sooo... the people involved in a family don't "ruin" their family? Who does? Who could ruin a relationship if not the people IN the relationship?

    Holy ****ing **** this is retarded...

    If I say that the adulterer and the one that they cheated with are selfish and ruined the family and you say that it is "The families ruin their families" then you are saying that it is the family as a unit that contributed to ruining the family, so it is obvious that you are not saying the same thing since you made the ****ing distinction.

    I swear, on this topic you are so full of ****. Like I said before, it is about justifying your selfish behavior so that you don't feel like a homewrecking *****.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have... and you know it. These little games, I swear
    What games are you talking about?

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    Holy ****ing **** this is retarded...
    We finally agree. Your argument IS retarded.

    If I say that the adulterer and the one that they cheated with are selfish
    Of course they are selfish. Not unlike everyone else in the world.

    and ruined the family and you say that it is "The families ruin their families" then you are saying that it is the family as a unit that contributed to ruining the family, so it is obvious that you are not saying the same thing since you made the ****ing distinction.
    Family, relationship... same thing. I used the words interchangeably, I'm sorry if that confused you. I consider my partner to be my family. I consider a husband and wife to be a family. I consider a married couple with kids to be a family. I consider a unmarried couple with kids to be a family. I also consider all of those to be relationships too. So, when I say the participants of the family did their own family in, it is the same as saying the participants in a relationship did the relationship in.

    Regardless. Cheating doesn't "ruin a family" or "ruin a relationship". How the participants deal with it DOES.

    I swear, on this topic you are so full of ****. Like I said before, it is about justifying your selfish behavior so that you don't feel like a homewrecking tramp.


    To whom do you think I need to justify my behavior? To YOU? You're kidding, right?

    I'll sleep with whomever I ****ing want to sleep with, whenever I ****ing want to do it, and I don't need to "justify" my reasons for doing so to ANYONE. However, my actions have nothing to do with any problems in anyone elses relationships. Only the participants IN a relationship can **** up their own relationship. The only relationships I can **** up, are my own.

    Oh, and of course my actions are selfish, why else would I engage in them? Everyone's actions are inherently selfish. So, tossing the word around like it's some kind of insult is fairly useless, dear.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    No, Max. Just, no.

    DIVORCE ruins families. Adultery might ruin, or at the very least severely affect the relationship between the two married partners, but it only ruins the family if they choose to end the marriage as a result. I can't count the number of couples I know who have gotten over adultery for the sake of keeping the family together.
    Precisely.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    We finally agree. Your argument IS retarded.
    Uh-huh...


    Of course they are selfish. Not unlike everyone else in the world.
    Everyone and every action is not selfish... Otherwise, now this is really and truly simply, mind you, they would not have this other word... can't quite recall what it is OH YEAH! SelfLESS

    selfless
       /ˈsɛlflɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [self-lis] Show IPA
    –adjective having little or no concern for oneself, esp. with regard to fame, position, money, etc.; unselfish.


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    I think that you need to look past the darkness and see the big world that is out there. Don't be afraid...


    Family, relationship... same thing. I used the words interchangeably, I'm sorry if that confused you.
    It didn't confuse me. You made a distinction. There was no need to make a distinction if we were saying the same thing. If I say the "adutlerer" and you say the "family" then they are both one and the same, as long as the adulterer is a part of the family regardless of how you define it. The distinction that you made clearly indicated that you don't think that it is NT the fault of the cheater/adulterer, but... now here is the justification part that you never seem to get, but it is the fault of the "family".

    It is the "family" and how the "family" reacts that ruins the marriage/relationship. You are taking the responsibility off of the adulterer/cheater and spreading it around. You are blaming the wife/husband and even blaming the kids! THIS is the justification and refusal to be responsible thingy that you never acknowledge, and I am sure that you wont here either...



    Regardless. Cheating doesn't "ruin a family" or "ruin a relationship". How the participants deal with it DOES.
    Precious!

    Nobody ever said that "cheating" ruined the ****ing family.
    You keep making this lame assertion that this is my argument.

    I say that the adulterer ruins the family by engaging in selfish actions that will most likely be viewed as untrustworthy, and as evidence of a betrayal... thus grounds for a divorce.

    The "adutlerer" ruins the family.
    ...not the wife/husband innocent of the crime/indiscretion
    ...not the kids innocent of the crime/indiscretion

    THE ADULTERER.

    Do -- you -- understand?




    To whom do you think I need to justify my behavior? To YOU? You're kidding, right?
    No. Jesus, is the psych 101? To yourself.
    I know that you are selfish and proud of it.
    I know you don't care about what I think.
    I don't think that people should be concerned about what other people think anyway...

    What you should be concerned about is this:

    Do your actions hurt others?

    Adulterery and being the "other woman" hurts others if these actions lead to the breakup of the existing family. Look, you just don't get it. Seriously... I a mnot gonna get dragged into your illogical little fantasy again where you think that you can justify adulterery as a trustworthy and responsible action. The last time you tried to pass that **** off was enough...



    I'll sleep with whomever I ****ing want to sleep with, whenever I ****ing want to do it, and I don't need to "justify" my reasons for doing so to ANYONE. However, my actions have nothing to do with any problems in anyone elses relationships. Only the participants IN a relationship can **** up their own relationship. The only relationships I can **** up, are my own.
    If a problem in the relationship is that the husband is cheating on his wife with you, then your actions are logically having something to do with the problems in their relationship. Denial is not your friend.


    Oh, and of course my actions are selfish, why else would I engage in them? Everyone's actions are inherently selfish. So, tossing the word around like it's some kind of insult is fairly useless, dear.

    Asked and answered.

    Selfless, think about it. People that love something more than themselves understand this. A parent knows this when they jump into certain death in order to save their child. A Marine or soldier knows this when they jump on a grenade to save their fellow soldiers. Lots of people know this... but apparently you are not one of them.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Everyone and every action is not selfish... Otherwise, now this is really and truly simply, mind you, they would not have this other word... can't quite recall what it is OH YEAH! SelfLESS

    selfless
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    This debate has been had on this forum, and not one person was able to define a single, purely selfless act. Not one.

    It didn't confuse me. You made a distinction. There was no need to make a distinction if we were saying the same thing. If I say the "adutlerer" and you say the "family" then they are both one and the same, as long as the adulterer is a part of the family regardless of how you define it. The distinction that you made clearly indicated that you don't think that it is NT the fault of the cheater/adulterer, but... now here is the justification part that you never seem to get, but it is the fault of the "family".
    It's the fault of the people in the relationship, yes. A relationship doesn't fall apart due to the actions of one person.

    It is the "family" and how the "family" reacts that ruins the marriage/relationship. You are taking the responsibility off of the adulterer/cheater and spreading it around. You are blaming the wife/husband and even blaming the kids! THIS is the justification and refusal to be responsible thingy that you never acknowledge, and I am sure that you wont here either...
    Where is this refusal to be responsible? The cheater lies and commits and untrustworthy act that probably hurts their spouse. That act does not destroy the relationship. How they deal with it does. Otherwise, relationships wouldn't survive.

    Nobody ever said that "cheating" ruined the ****ing family.
    Yes actually, Maximus most certainly did.

    I say that the adulterer ruins the family by engaging in selfish actions that will most likely be viewed as untrustworthy, and as evidence of a betrayal... thus grounds for a divorce.
    Sure, if the person cheated on decides that the relationship isn't worth saving. Then the relationship ends due to both of their actions. The actions that precipitated the cheating, the cheating, and the actions after the cheating - engaged in by both parties.

    The "adutlerer" ruins the family.
    ...not the wife/husband innocent of the crime/indiscretion
    ...not the kids innocent of the crime/indiscretion

    THE ADULTERER.

    Do -- you -- understand?
    No, because too many relationships withstand cheating to make that kind of assertion. It makes no logical sense. How they HANDLE the cheating together is what determines if the relationship is ruined.

    What you should be concerned about is this:

    Do your actions hurt others?
    Sometimes, yes they do. That is inevitable. Every time I turn a guy down. Every time I have broken up with someone. Every time I go out with someone that someone else still has feelings for. Every time I got the job that someone else was wanting. Every time I don't do exactly what someone asks of me. There is no way to go through life and not hurt others.

    Adulterery and being the "other woman" hurts others if these actions lead to the breakup of the existing family. Look, you just don't get it. Seriously... I a mnot gonna get dragged into your illogical little fantasy again where you think that you can justify adulterery as a trustworthy and responsible action. The last time you tried to pass that **** off was enough...
    Who said cheating was trustworthy and responsible? When did I EVER say that? It's lying. It's cheating. It's untrustworthy, and it's wrong to do, IMO. But that doesn't mean for a second that I think it should be illegal to hurt someone's feelings.

    However, as the "other woman", I made no promises to anyone. Thus, I have broken no promises and have not done anything "untrustworthy".

    If a problem in the relationship is that the husband is cheating on his wife with you, then your actions are logically having something to do with the problems in their relationship. Denial is not your friend.
    Incorrect. The problems existed prior to the cheating.

    Selfless, think about it. People that love something more than themselves understand this. A parent knows this when they jump into certain death in order to save their child. A Marine or soldier knows this when they jump on a grenade to save their fellow soldiers. Lots of people know this... but apparently you are not one of them.
    None of those are purely selfless acts. The self is involved, otherwise the action could not be taken. It's impossible to be completely selfless. I have risked my life many a time to save those of complete strangers and friends alike. My actions were not selfless. My self was very much involved in the decision making process. My actions were willful, thought out, deliberate. I did them because I wanted to. Ergo, not selfless. Ditto for a your marine or parent.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

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    This debate has been had on this forum, and not one person was able to define a single, purely selfless act. Not one.
    Well, I did.


    It's the fault of the people in the relationship, yes. A relationship doesn't fall apart due to the actions of one person.
    You are trying to be cute...
    The relationship falls apart because of the cheating actions of the adulterer.
    The marriage ends in divorce as a result of it falling apart.
    Nice try though...



    Where is this refusal to be responsible? The cheater lies and commits and untrustworthy act that probably hurts their spouse. That act does not destroy the relationship. How they deal with it does. Otherwise, relationships wouldn't survive.
    Last time you would not admit that it was untrustworthy...
    This time you have. I guess that progress CAN be made.


    Yes actually, Maximus most certainly did.
    Fine, but I really meant us in an exasperated manner...


    Sure, if the person cheated on decides that the relationship isn't worth saving. Then the relationship ends due to both of their actions. The actions that precipitated the cheating, the cheating, and the actions after the cheating - engaged in by both parties.
    Nope. It ends due to the actions of the adulterer, since most people feel that being cheated on automatically ends the relationship/marriage.

    The marriage is over before the divorce papers are signed.


    No, because too many relationships withstand cheating to make that kind of assertion. It makes no logical sense. How they HANDLE the cheating together is what determines if the relationship is ruined.
    If you cheat on me, the relationship is over.
    Once you do it, it is over no matter how long it takes to divorce.
    The relationship is ruined the second you cheat.
    Sorry, it is over and you ruined the relationship.


    Sometimes, yes they do. That is inevitable. Every time I turn a guy down. Every time I have broken up with someone. Every time I go out with someone that someone else still has feelings for. Every time I got the job that someone else was wanting. Every time I don't do exactly what someone asks of me. There is no way to go through life and not hurt others.
    And it is how we handle hurting others that is the key.
    You want to make excuses for behavior, that is not responsible.


    Who said cheating was trustworthy and responsible? When did I EVER say that? It's lying. It's cheating. It's untrustworthy, and it's wrong to do, IMO. But that doesn't mean for a second that I think it should be illegal to hurt someone's feelings.
    You didn't, I did.
    That being said, you just said it.

    Last time you would not admit that it was untrustworthy...
    This time you have. I guess that progress CAN be made.


    However, as the "other woman", I made no promises to anyone. Thus, I have broken no promises and have not done anything "untrustworthy".
    trust (trst)
    n.
    1. Firm reliance on the integrity, ability, or character of a person or thing.


    We all trust one another not to do things every day.
    I never said that I would not ram into your car with mine for fun.
    Guess that after I do this action, I will still be considered trustworthy...



    Incorrect. The problems existed prior to the cheating.
    Perhaps, and most likely, the problems only existed with the CHEATER/ADULTERER!
    This is, again, your disconnect.


    None of those are purely selfless acts. The self is involved, otherwise the action could not be taken. It's impossible to be completely selfless. I have risked my life many a time to save those of complete strangers and friends alike. My actions were not selfless. My self was very much involved in the decision making process. My actions were willful, thought out, deliberate. I did them because I wanted to. Ergo, not selfless. Ditto for a your marine or parent.
    Nothing can be selfless because the word selfish contains the word self?
    Well, so does the word selfless! Even if that is not your argument, I would argue that foolishness with; no selfish act can take place, because the only type of action that there is is a selfless one.
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