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  • Obviously! It should carry MMS and strict for 2nd++ offense..

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  • Yes, jailtime.

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  • Yah, first fine, then jail, mild jail time.

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  • Hmm.. Perhaps..

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is not too broad. They align within the realm of what is, and what could be criminal.
    Breach of contract should not be taken so lightly...
    Betraying the trust of loved ones, and kids should not be taken so lightly...
    There should be a consequence, just as in the cases that I indicated.
    And there is a consequence, if the person cheated on chooses there to be one. The cheater loses their spouse, if that person chooses. It is no one's business but theirs anyway. What consequence comes about is up to THEM, and no one else. That is exactly as it should be.

    And yes, it is FAR too broad. Incarceration for hurting someone's feelings is absolutely ridiculous.

    And breach of WHAT contract? The marriage license? Where in the marriage license does it say "sex with anyone other than your spouse is forbidden"? Because I sure didn't see it on the ones I've signed.

    I hear your opinion, and in most cases that is probably fair.
    I think that in some cases, incarceration is the exact thing that should be done.
    What good would incarceration do? What harm is an adulterer to the rest of society? What good does it do to segregate them from everyone else?

    In all cases, mandatory counseling (personal) should be a consequence.
    Counseling should never be mandatory. Especially marriage counseling. How much good is it going to do if the two parties involved don't need or want it? You force two people to go sit in a room with a shrink, and then what? You can't make them talk. You can't make them engage. You can't make them listen. You can't make them help each other do anything if they don't WANT to. It's perfectly pointless and a waste of taxpayer dollars.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    And there is a consequence, if the person cheated on chooses there to be one. The cheater loses their spouse, if that person chooses. It is no one's business but theirs anyway. What consequence comes about is up to THEM, and no one else. That is exactly as it should be.
    And there should be further consequence... it is completely logical.


    And yes, it is FAR too broad. Incarceration for hurting someone's feelings is absolutely ridiculous.
    No, it is not too broad. Think what you like.
    It is a logical analogy and I am done with this point.


    And breach of WHAT contract? The marriage license? Where in the marriage license does it say "sex with anyone other than your spouse is forbidden"? Because I sure didn't see it on the ones I've signed.
    Marriage contract to a degree... oral contract certainly.


    What good would incarceration do? What harm is an adulterer to the rest of society? What good does it do to segregate them from everyone else?
    It is not about doing good. It is an ethical argument regarding consequnce.


    Counseling should never be mandatory. Especially marriage counseling. How much good is it going to do if the two parties involved don't need or want it? You force two people to go sit in a room with a shrink, and then what? You can't make them talk. You can't make them engage. You can't make them listen. You can't make them help each other do anything if they don't WANT to. It's perfectly pointless and a waste of taxpayer dollars.
    That is why I carified that it should be (personal) indicating the adulterer by him/her self.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And there should be further consequence... it is completely logical.
    For hurting someone's feelings. Pahlease. It's far from logical.

    No, it is not too broad. Think what you like.
    It is a logical analogy and I am done with this point.
    There is no logical analogy there, but I'm glad you're done with the non-point.

    Marriage contract to a degree... oral contract certainly.
    What oral contract?

    It is not about doing good. It is an ethical argument regarding consequnce.
    which occurs if the person cheated on wishes it to occur. Just as in any other personal relationship. Lying in not illegal. Hurting someone's feelings is not illegal.


    That is why I carified that it should be (personal) indicating the adulterer by him/her self.
    Which is even more ridiculous! Cheating is a symptom of a problem in a relationship. A relationship requires more than one person. Problems in a relationship require more than one person. Fixing those problems require all the participants to... well.. participate willingly. Even if your suggestion made any sense it all, my point about the unwillingness of the individual still stands.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    You drew the line at someone's action affecting someone else, and that is far, FAR too broad. Someone's wittle feelings getting hurt isn't grounds for incarceration.
    Why does it have to be about feelings instead of something legitimate?

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why does it have to be about feelings instead of something legitimate?
    She thinks adultery and the constant adultery in this society is a good thing, a thing to defend, one of the freedoms we should all appreciate.

    She thinks it would be stupid for the people hurt in an adultery case to have the RIGHT to press charges if thats the only solution. She thinks it better that this option is not given, and that there is no punishment for adultery at all.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why does it have to be about feelings instead of something legitimate?

    Thank you!

    And Maximus has a lot of that correct.
    rivrat has cheated with married men and thinks that it is justifiable.
    It is an old debate between us and I am not that interested in doing it again.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    She thinks adultery and the constant adultery in this society is a good thing, a thing to defend, one of the freedoms we should all appreciate.

    She thinks it would be stupid for the people hurt in an adultery case to have the RIGHT to press charges if thats the only solution. She thinks it better that this option is not given, and that there is no punishment for adultery at all.
    I'll put it this way, are you willing to pay for the jails to put all of the adulterers into? Are you really willing to be taxed so that you can punish someone for adultery?

    Just maybe there is a role for civil courts in generating some sort of Tort of adultery. That way societies tax input is limited to the operation of courts, put individuals can be compensated for a wrong committed against them, while at the same time society puts out signal that it wants to limit adultery.

    Jails are horrible terrible places, probably the worst places that we have in modern societies. The deprivation of freedom, shoving someone into a tiny little cell is a horrendous punishment. And I am of the view that such places should only be left to the most violent offenders or the greatest fraudsters.....

    So maximums would you pay more tax for the criminalization of adultery?

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    I'll put it this way, are you willing to pay for the jails to put all of the adulterers into? Are you really willing to be taxed so that you can punish someone for adultery?
    Easy solution. Perhaps we could incarcerate less people for smoking weed? And replace (some)drug related jail time with treatment instead. That would solve it pretty easy. Even so no one, not me at least is taking about lifetime in jail for adultery, but possibly 2-3 months, depending on the cases, and 3-9 months for repeated offenders.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why does it have to be about feelings instead of something legitimate?
    What's the something legit it would be about then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    She thinks adultery and the constant adultery in this society is a good thing, a thing to defend, one of the freedoms we should all appreciate.
    Where did I ever say cheating was a "good" thing? Please point out to me where I stated what you have just attributed to me.

    She thinks it would be stupid for the people hurt in an adultery case to have the RIGHT to press charges if thats the only solution. She thinks it better that this option is not given, and that there is no punishment for adultery at all.
    Yes, I do think the idea of someone pressing charges for their wittle hurt feelings is quite stupid.

    The punishment for adultery is the same as hurting someone would be in any other relationship: The relationship suffers and/or is ended. There is no need for state intervention for hurt feelings.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Adultery is one of the worst thing one human can do to another, but is not a punishable crime in the west, and normally not around the world either. Adultery is described in the bible as one of the very worst sins, yet we have not practiced this in the west for at least several centuries or even millenniums. Why should it not be illegal? Would you prefer your wife cheated on your or that your car was stolen(then aid back by insurance)?

    In comparison, people who use or carry drugs in the US can get jail time of between 1-25 years for relatively small amounts, even Cannabis.
    Adultry is not even close to being one of the worst things you can do to a person.
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