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  • Obviously! It should carry MMS and strict for 2nd++ offense..

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  • Yes, jailtime.

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  • Yah, first fine, then jail, mild jail time.

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  • Hmm.. Perhaps..

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What if the DA decides to go ahead with the charges anyway?
    Well, that would be the beauty of progressive laws. Giving the rights of the offended party to press charges, but no the state.

    You think about this completely incorrect. Adultery as illegal should only give the right of the offended party to press charges against the adulterer, and with satisfactory evidence and trial have that person punished with jail time.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, that would be the beauty of progressive laws. Giving the rights of the offended party to press charges, but no the state.
    well such "progressive laws" don't exist here. Sorry. Only the DA may press criminal charges.

    You think about this completely incorrect. Adultery as illegal should only give the right of the offended party to press charges against the adulterer, and with satisfactory evidence and trial have that person punished with jail time.
    as I understand it citizens cannot press charges. They can have it noted that the victim would like charges pressed but I believe the DA gets to decide whether evidence is substantial enough to press charges.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    yes, their feelings are hurt. That's not a jailable offense last time I checked. Its a civil matter.
    IT said there were NO victims. None at all.

    "Spouse" is an example of a victim. It can be only a Civil matter AND the spouse be a victim.

    I'm not sure how my post could have been interpreted to mean anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    this has already been covered. Adultery doesn't cause the problems for kids, neglect does. If your spouse cheats you are not obligated to neglect your kids.

    how so? Once again, adultery doesn't require divorce. Its divorce that would cause damage to this "public assistance" if such damages even exist, which I don't believe it does because

    1) you don't sign an agreement with the gov't explicitly defining such damages

    2) Benefits are revoked upon divorce.

    what about them? Sounds like a civil matter once again. Its no different than unmarried couple having a child. For some reason you are obsessed with the belief that having a ceremony and signing a piece of paper automatically makes one have better kids. This is an abstraction from the real problem: that kids require parental attention and guidance. Such doesn't magically appear just because you are unmarried or married because marriage does not enforce such behavior. The reason why kids suffer more in broken homes has nothing to do with whether the parents signed a piece of paper or had a marriage ceremony so such an illogical conclusion is a petty attempt to use fallacious reasoning that correlation equals causation for neglect of children.
    I can see i need to create a well sourced "Standard Issue Response" for this.

    I was hoping we were at the conversational level where we all already understood the general harm brought to families suffering from adultery.

    I was wrong in my assumption and I apologize for that. No doubt my posts appeared to have a level of arrogance as a result.

    This evening I will take the time to create a package where one can see credible data on the results of adultery.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    Yes! New Poll. Should people who believe in making adultery a jailable offense be put in jail! lol.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Lawsuits have immunity
    I thought the arguement was if it should be criminal not civil. Jailtime as opposed to penalties, but I don't support penalties either.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    IT said there were NO victims. None at all."Spouse" is an example of a victim. It can be only a Civil matter AND the spouse be a victim.
    I don't care to get in a definition debate or a semantic debate. Being emotionally hurt is not grounds for criminal charges under the law. Enough said.

    I'm not sure how my post could have been interpreted to mean anything else.
    I wasn't terying to imply it said anything else. All I did was show that being a "victim" of adultery is no different than being a "victim" of verbal abuse. We don't punish criminally for mental abuse, period.

    I can see i need to create a well sourced "Standard Issue Response" for this.

    I was hoping we were at the conversational level where we all already understood the general harm brought to families suffering from adultery.

    I was wrong in my assumption and I apologize for that. No doubt my posts appeared to have a level of arrogance as a result.

    This evening I will take the time to create a package where one can see credible data on the results of adultery.
    If you do can you try to include the original white paper as sources. Sites or news articles that paraphrase such work are notorious for drawing incorrect conclusions or spinning the results. I know it makes it more difficult but try to see if you can. Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    I thought the arguement was if it should be criminal not civil.
    Just for accuricy: It would still be Civil if it were Criminal. It's not either/or.

    You were interjecting a tangent on jailing people involved with lawsuits, and to that my opinion is no. Lawsuits have immunity.

    I don't think anyone is arguing that divorce should not be Civil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    Jailtime as opposed to penalties, but I don't support penalties either.
    Civil "penalties" include alimony, child support, liquidation of shared assets, claims on the former spouse’s Social Security and/or pension/401K/etc....

    These are thing which would have been shared if the marriage stayed intact, they are things which the spouse was legally entitled to and counted on being there. Their life was structured accordingly and the spouse is now in danger of losing as the other spouse is no longer complying with the terms of the license.

    That's a demonstratable damage to the spouse, one they can sue (divorce) to guarantee access to.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    well such "progressive laws" don't exist here. Sorry. Only the DA may press criminal charges.
    I dont think that is right.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    as I understand it citizens cannot press charges. They can have it noted that the victim would like charges pressed but I believe the DA gets to decide whether evidence is substantial enough to press charges.
    Of course citizens can press charges.. What about domestic violence cases for example, the majority that press charges in such cases is the victim, not the DA? But of course the DA have to decide if the evidence is good enough to go to trial, thats how it should be like in a case of adultery as well.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I don't care to get in a definition debate or a semantic debate. Being emotionally hurt is not grounds for criminal charges under the law. Enough said.

    I wasn't terying to imply it said anything else. All I did was show that being a "victim" of adultery is no different than being a "victim" of verbal abuse. We don't punish criminally for mental abuse, period.
    See I just don't see it as punishing my spouse for hurting my widdle feewins.

    The vows are the "Full Faith and Credit" portion required of any contract.
    To brake the vows is to violate the faith and credit placed in you that you will keep your part of the deal.

    If you can't trust a person to keep their end of the deal you wouldn't enter into the agreement with them to begin with. In this case, you are already in an agreement when you find that they are not trustworthy.

    To then divorce the person is to secure your assets and interests you don't want anyone you can't trust to have access to.

    As I read it, the question posed in this thread is simply 'does violating privileged access to other people's assets rise to the level of Criminal behavior'?

    You're typical "no-fault" or "uncontested" divorce may not, especially where there is no community property; but maybe at a certain dollar value of a contested divorce it does.

    Maybe the state doesn't want to float the bill for various assistances to support children of a divorce, and may have grounds to go after the party who violated the marriage license to recover that money.

    Maybe at some point the state feels that it needs to impose a jail sentence to compel that money, or simply to get a hold of a person and place them in a work program so that there are wages to garnish.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just for accuricy: It would still be Civil if it were Criminal. It's not either/or.

    You were interjecting a tangent on jailing people involved with lawsuits, and to that my opinion is no. Lawsuits have immunity.

    I don't think anyone is arguing that divorce should not be Civil.



    Civil "penalties" include alimony, child support, liquidation of shared assets, claims on the former spouse’s Social Security and/or pension/401K/etc....

    These are thing which would have been shared if the marriage stayed intact, they are things which the spouse was legally entitled to and counted on being there. Their life was structured accordingly and the spouse is now in danger of losing as the other spouse is no longer complying with the terms of the license.

    That's a demonstratable damage to the spouse, one they can sue (divorce) to guarantee access to.
    I understand what you mean. But to be clear, I feel that the laws are flawed in their current state. And to add an amendment to the law making adultery a jailable offense in a divorce trial seems barbaric and twisted to me. In my opinion we live in a society where "family law" is still subject to a court system that favors women over men.

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