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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Because most human laws(the best and most important ones) of our age is based not only on the ten commandments but the moral code of the bible.. Thats why..
    The Biblical prohibition on adultery was only intended to apply to women.

    Adultery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    " It should be noted though that during biblical times marriage was seen as a property transaction and the definition of adultery was quite narrow. During biblical times adultery was defined as a married woman having sex with someone other than her husband. The defintion did not, however, forbid a married man from having sex with a woman other than his wife provided she was was not married to someone else. [18] "
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    The Biblical prohibition on adultery was only intended to apply to women.
    Wikipedia is not a credible source, and this is why:

    BibleGateway.com - Keyword*Search: adultery

    Exodus 20:14
    "You shall not commit adultery."
    As the commandments were addressed to everyone and there is nothing in this commandment to even suggest that it only applies to women, the probation applies to men also.

    Leviticus 20:10
    " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."
    Here we see that men are punished for committing adultery, therefore the prohibition on adultery did not apply only to women.

    Other examples include:

    Proverbs 6:32
    But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself.
    Jeremiah 29:23
    For they have done outrageous things in Israel; they have committed adultery with their neighbors' wives and in my name have spoken lies, which I did not tell them to do. I know it and am a witness to it," declares the LORD.
    This one is very strong in my mind day to day:

    Matthew 5:28
    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    According to Jesus in this passage, a man commits adultery when he lusts after a woman just by looking at her. Jesus further teaches that men should not do this.

    Matthew 5:32
    But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
    In this example, if you marry a woman who was not divorced because her husband died or committed adultery, you, the new husband, are committing adultery with your new wife.

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    I hope this clarifies the issue.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-08-09 at 01:35 AM.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Only two of the commandments are part of our law. And they were part of civilizations laws long before the "10 Commandments" came around.
    I said "not only the ten commandments but also the moral code of the bible".. And I can tell you that included about 613 commandment.

    Thinking the laws of our society is not based around the bible is quite ignorant. And saying "they were part of civilization laws long before the "10 commandments" is wildly speculative, most certainly untrue, and proves that you haven't read the bible, and know little about the past human behaviour.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    The Biblical prohibition on adultery was only intended to apply to women.

    Adultery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    No.. The commandments are made for both men and women and specifies no gender. And where the bible tells of adultery as a crime, it doesn't say its intended for women either.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Wikipedia is not a credible source, and this is why:

    BibleGateway.com - Keyword*Search: adultery

    Exodus 20:14


    As the commandments were addressed to everyone and there is nothing in this commandment to even suggest that it only applies to women, the probation applies to men also.

    Leviticus 20:10


    Here we see that men are punished for committing adultery, therefore the prohibition on adultery did not apply only to women.

    Other examples include:

    Proverbs 6:32


    Jeremiah 29:23


    This one is very strong in my mind day to day:

    Matthew 5:28


    According to Jesus in this passage, a man commits adultery when he lusts after a woman just by looking at her. Jesus further teaches that men should not do this.

    Matthew 5:32


    In this example, if you marry a woman who was not divorced because her husband died or committed adultery, you, the new husband, are committing adultery with your new wife.

    ***
    I hope this clarifies the issue.
    You cqn't apply yesterday's commandment about "adultery" to today's definition of "adultery".

    Seventh Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery - Analysis of the Ten Commandments
    "The problem, naturally enough, lies with the meaning of the word “adultery.” People today tend define it as any act of sexual intercourse outside of marriage or, perhaps a bit more narrowly, any act of sexual intercourse between a married person and someone who is not their spouse. That is appropriate in contemporary society but it isn’t not how the word has always been defined.

    The ancient Hebrews in particular had a very restricted understanding of the concept and limited it to just sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who was either already married or at least betrothed. The marital status of the man was irrelevant. Thus, a married man was not guilty of “adultery” for having sex with an unmarried woman.

    This restriction makes sense if we remember that at the time women were often treated as little more than property — a slightly higher status than the slaves but not nearly as high as that of men. Because women were like property, having sex with a married or betrothed woman was regarded as misuse of someone else’s property (with the possible consequence of children whose actual lineage was uncertain — the main reason for treating women this way was to control their reproductive capacity and ensure the identity of the father of her children). A married man having sex with an unmarried woman was not guilty of such a crime and thus was not committing adultery. If she also wasn’t a virgin, then the man wasn’t guilty of any crimes at all. "
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    You cqn't apply yesterday's commandment about "adultery" to today's definition of "adultery".

    Seventh Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery - Analysis of the Ten Commandments
    "The problem, naturally enough, lies with the meaning of the word “adultery.” People today tend define it as any act of sexual intercourse outside of marriage or, perhaps a bit more narrowly, any act of sexual intercourse between a married person and someone who is not their spouse. That is appropriate in contemporary society but it isn’t not how the word has always been defined.

    The ancient Hebrews in particular had a very restricted understanding of the concept and limited it to just sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who was either already married or at least betrothed. The marital status of the man was irrelevant. Thus, a married man was not guilty of “adultery” for having sex with an unmarried woman.

    This restriction makes sense if we remember that at the time women were often treated as little more than property — a slightly higher status than the slaves but not nearly as high as that of men. Because women were like property, having sex with a married or betrothed woman was regarded as misuse of someone else’s property (with the possible consequence of children whose actual lineage was uncertain — the main reason for treating women this way was to control their reproductive capacity and ensure the identity of the father of her children). A married man having sex with an unmarried woman was not guilty of such a crime and thus was not committing adultery. If she also wasn’t a virgin, then the man wasn’t guilty of any crimes at all. "
    You said adultery in the bible only applied to women. He proved you wrong.. Thats the point. Dont debate something else when all he wanted to do was prove that.

    And you really trust some person opinion on "about.com" more than you do indirect bible quotes?
    Last edited by Maximus Zeebra; 02-08-09 at 11:05 AM.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I said "not only the ten commandments but also the moral code of the bible".. And I can tell you that included about 613 commandment.

    Thinking the laws of our society is not based around the bible is quite ignorant. And saying "they were part of civilization laws long before the "10 commandments" is wildly speculative, most certainly untrue, and proves that you haven't read the bible, and know little about the past human behaviour.
    LMFAO No dear, it rather proves YOU haven't read the bible and/or know little about past human civilizations, their laws, and where they stemmed from. Especially PRIOR to the bible coming around and in cultures not exposed to that horrid book. All the interesting **** happened prior to the bible years and in civs that had no knowledge of it afterwards, so that's always been my focus of study. Maybe you should go study some ancient civ and sociology a bit more and catch up with me. Then maybe we can talk.

    Additionally, why don't you please enlighten us all on what "moral code" of the bible that is included in our laws - specifically. And, also show that none of our laws have ever been a part of any civilization's laws prior to the bible, nor in civilizations that were not exposed to it.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    The Biblical prohibition on adultery was only intended to apply to women.

    Adultery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    " It should be noted though that during biblical times marriage was seen as a property transaction and the definition of adultery was quite narrow. During biblical times adultery was defined as a married woman having sex with someone other than her husband. The defintion did not, however, forbid a married man from having sex with a woman other than his wife provided she was was not married to someone else. [18] "
    Hmmm I think I would have a hard time selling the wife on this one

    Even though technically correct still Jewish men were not permitted to frolic freely. The fornication laws saw to that.

    De 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
    De 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

    Notice in this verse that neither are subject to a death penalty and the woman is subject to no punishment at all. It is all on the man. All these rules were based on a polygamous society.

    The man was permitted to have more than one wife whereas the woman was permitted to have only one husband thus the broad interpretation of the adultery law does not apply to him. But he was only permitted to sleep with his own wives. Thus the narrower interpretation of the other adultery laws and fornication.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    LMFAO No dear, it rather proves YOU haven't read the bible and/or know little about past human civilizations, their laws, and where they stemmed from. Especially PRIOR to the bible coming around and in cultures not exposed to that horrid book. All the interesting **** happened prior to the bible years and in civs that had no knowledge of it afterwards, so that's always been my focus of study. Maybe you should go study some ancient civ and sociology a bit more and catch up with me. Then maybe we can talk.

    Additionally, why don't you please enlighten us all on what "moral code" of the bible that is included in our laws - specifically. And, also show that none of our laws have ever been a part of any civilization's laws prior to the bible, nor in civilizations that were not exposed to it.
    Please feel free to enlighten me about the civilized societies before the ten commandments which is thought to be about 4000 years ago..

    Please.. Do you think they had biblical moral code as part of their society?
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Please feel free to enlighten me about the civilized societies before the ten commandments which is thought to be about 4000 years ago..
    Enlighten you regarding what? Where they were all located? How they evolved? If/when they perished and how? War history? How they passed information down through the generations? What they ate? What they drank? What art they created? What their laws were? What their religion was and how they worshiped? Do you want a full history of every civilization prior to the bible? If so, that's a bit much to ask, doncha think? I could, however, point you in the direction of some good reading on the subject.

    Please.. Do you think they had biblical moral code as part of their society?
    Well lets see... the bible wasn't around, so that would be a resounding NO. So why is it that you seem to want to claim that all civilized laws came from the bible when the bible wasn't even around for all civilizations? Particularly, Hammurabi. Kinda silly, isn't it?
    Last edited by rivrrat; 02-08-09 at 12:24 PM.

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