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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, both parties don't have to want a divorce in order for a divorce to happen. There may be "waiting periods" in certain states, sure. All states have different laws regarding the matter. But really, it's just a stupid legal thing. If I want out of a marriage, I'm just going to ****ing walk out the door. I'd like to see some state law stop me. I may still be technically legally married, but WTF difference does that make in the grand scheme of things when I move the **** out? Nothing. It's the relationship I want out of. The legal documentation is just a formality.

    But, what you cited merely says that in NC a couple must separate for a year, and then they can be granted a divorce - IF one party (for some absolutely insane reason) doesn't agree to the divorce. Which means that what I said previously is quite accurate.
    My only point is that a contractual agreement does exist. If you just walk out the door and do no more you are still married. That marriage has an effect on your life. (you can't marry someone else for example) The only way to relieve yourself from that obligation is to have a judge grant you a divorce. That is the very definition of a contract. I would be interested to hear what RightinNYC has to say about it.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If I didn't comment on it that doesn't mean that I did, or didn't agree with it, it just means that I'm rationing my time to comment on points that I find interesting. Frankly, I can't even recall what that point was.
    The point was that jail wasn't as effective a deterrent as the outcomes alread in place.

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    Look at what happens in war zones. What was the incidence of rape in the Bosnian conflict to the incidence of rape today, now that order has been restored? Look at Darfur, look at Somalia, look at Rwanda.
    OF course when foreign fighters who were committing rape leave the numbers go down. How many of those accusations are accurate? How many go unreported when someone they know personally rape them? You hardly have a reliable data set to work with on these comparisons.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    My only point is that a contractual agreement does exist. If you just walk out the door and do no more you are still married. That marriage has an effect on your life. (you can't marry someone else for example) The only way to relieve yourself from that obligation is to have a judge grant you a divorce. That is the very definition of a contract. I would be interested to hear what RightinNYC has to say about it.
    What are the conditions of that contract? Essentially, the only condition is that you can't marry someone else.

    Any other conditions must be explicitly laid out. There are no assumptions. That's what prenuptual agreements are for. And still, it's a civil matter, not a criminal one.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    My only point is that a contractual agreement does exist. If you just walk out the door and do no more you are still married. That marriage has an effect on your life. (you can't marry someone else for example) The only way to relieve yourself from that obligation is to have a judge grant you a divorce. That is the very definition of a contract. I would be interested to hear what RightinNYC has to say about it.
    I never said there wasn't a legal contract. I've always said that's ALL marriage is, a legal contract. That's it.

    However, there's nothing in that contract that the parties sign that says anything about fidelity.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The point was that jail wasn't as effective a deterrent as the outcomes alread in place.
    I've bypassed the whole jail aspect to this thread because others were making good arguments. The government shouldn't be involved in jailing people who break contracts.

    Would you rape a woman if you could get away with it?
    It's not a matter of whether you or I would do this. You and I are not typical of EVERY man. The question to ask is whether the man on the margin would rape a woman if he could get away with it.

    There are plenty of men and women who would not cheat on their spouse in their everyday lives but if a woman goes to Club Med with her girlfriends, or on a business trip, the odds of her cheating increase because the odds of getting caught and having to face the consequences decrease.

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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I've bypassed the whole jail aspect to this thread because others were making good arguments. The government shouldn't be involved in jailing people who break contracts.



    It's not a matter of whether you or I would do this. You and I are not typical of EVERY man. The question to ask is whether the man on the margin would rape a woman if he could get away with it.

    There are plenty of men and women who would not cheat on their spouse in their everyday lives but if a woman goes to Club Med with her girlfriends, or on a business trip, the odds of her cheating increase because the odds of getting caught and having to face the consequences decrease.
    Well, it's a fruitless endeavor to debate hypotheticals. I'm not convinced that that a person you describe exists. You'll have to prove they do in order to continue this line of discussion. Most rapists do get away with it. I think that these borderline people are just rapists in waiting.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    If adultry were made a crime resulting in jail time for offenders we had better add at least another 500 billion to the stimulus package to build prisons.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I never said there wasn't a legal contract. I've always said that's ALL marriage is, a legal contract. That's it.

    However, there's nothing in that contract that the parties sign that says anything about fidelity.
    If one of the reasons to dissolve the contract is infidelity, then it is an inherent condition of the contract. Otherwise a party would go to the judge and say "She is an adulterer I want a divorce" the judge would say "It doesn't matter, pick a different reason"
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    If one of the reasons to dissolve the contract is infidelity, then it is an inherent condition of the contract. Otherwise a party would go to the judge and say "She is an adulterer I want a divorce" the judge would say "It doesn't matter, pick a different reason"
    Infedelity is not required for a valid marriage nor does it automatically end up in divorce. There are open marriages and swinger couples. There are people who remain married after infedility. It's up to the parties to decide if they should divorce over it. A judge can't file for divorce. Now imagine if a third party reported infidelity and one spouse went to jail while the other had no intention of divorcing.
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    Re: Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It's the violation of the terms of a contract and so there should be punishment just as there is punishment for violations of other contracts.
    contractual breaches generally are not referred to as crimes though

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