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Is this a cool building?

Is the [b]North Korean[/b] building nice/cool?

  • Yes, one of the nicest/coolest buildings I have seen..

    Votes: 15 16.1%

  • Yes, definetely..

    Votes: 28 30.1%

  • Its ok..

    Votes: 12 12.9%

  • Nothing special..

    Votes: 5 5.4%

  • Nah, not nice/cool

    Votes: 26 28.0%

  • Something else(explain)...

    Votes: 7 7.5%
  • Total voters
    93
The glass looks nice, but it is still and ugly eyesore because of all the concrete.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Seems like people here cannot overlook the fact that the building is North Korean...
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No. That's what you WANT to believe, what you posted the poll to "prove," and what you're selectively reading the responses to confirm.

This was transparent from the start. :roll:
 
The Ryugyong's planned 3,000 rooms and seven revolving restaurants were scheduled to open in June 1989 for the World Festival of Youth and Students, but problems with building methods and materials delayed completion. Work ceased in 1992 due to electricity shortages, funding problems, the famine of 1990 and mainly because of the elevator engineering that had failed to provide service to the top floors. Japanese newspapers estimated the cost of construction was US$750 million[6]—equivalent to 2% of North Korea’s GDP. Official pictures of Pyongyang often show the building illuminated at night, but this is due to photo manipulation.[7]

There had been some question about whether North Korea had the raw materials or energy for such a massive project.[2] A government official said in 2008 that construction had previously been halted when funds ran out. [8]

[edit] Structural defects

Though the basic structure was complete when construction came to a halt in 1992, the building shell has sat vacant and without windows, fixtures, or fittings for 16 years. To date, the hotel has not yet been certified safe for occupancy, and it is widely believed to suffer from major structural defects that render it unlikely to ever be so.[2][9]

The original building plans called for a structural steel internal frame, a standard requirement for any building that large. The government was unwilling or unable to supply enough steel, and instead insisted the structure be constructed entirely from reinforced concrete in order to save money.[10] The concrete used was also a poor-quality domestic variety, mixed with cheap ingredients in order to meet the cost requirements. The combination resulted in a structure which proved itself to be defective before it was even fully erected. The sagging of the interior concrete structure is reportedly so severe that most of the building's vaunted elevators are permanently inoperable due to warping of the shafts.[9] The exterior concrete support structures can also be seen to be badly spalling, exposing large sections of rebar to corrosion from the elements.
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And aside from all that:

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Harshaw said:
No. That's what you WANT to believe, what you posted the poll to "prove," and what you're selectively reading the responses to confirm.

This was transparent from the start. :roll:
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And not even a good example. He should have picked something gorgeous from the Soviet era, or a beautiful building in an Arab country.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Seems like people here cannot overlook the fact that the building is North Korean..

I think the building on the picture looks rather cool and special. The article the picture is taken from btw, is an article about how North Korea is now putting glass on the building.
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A Porterhouse in the middle of a pile of dung just isn't appetizing. Did you expect it to be?
 
Harshaw said:
No. That's what you WANT to believe, what you posted the poll to "prove," and what you're selectively reading the responses to confirm.

This was transparent from the start. :roll:
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I dont want to believe that. The poll was there to accommodate a suspicion I had about how this thread would turn out, and indeed I was right.
People cannot focus on just looking at the building in the picture, but have to pepper this thread with negative stuff about the building, its function and generally negative stuff about North Korea. If this building was American people would have reacted in a completely different way.
 
It is not that evil is incapable, - take a look at the USSR, military technology, space exploration and special buildings, - and don’t forget about blood and bones of their people that made up cement for those buildings and explorations.

How can one enjoy esthetics overlooking blood and bones?

Estheticists are most disgusting among humans.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I dont want to believe that. The poll was there to accommodate a suspicion I had about how this thread would turn out, and indeed I was right.
People cannot focus on just looking at the building in the picture, but have to pepper this thread with negative stuff about the building, its function and generally negative stuff about North Korea. If this building was American people would have reacted in a completely different way.
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You didn't prove how people would react if it were in America.

You proved that people wouldn't like it. Whether it's because it's in North Korea or not may vary from person to person.
 
I dont want to believe that. The poll was there to accommodate a suspicion I had about how this thread would turn out, and indeed I was right.
People cannot focus on just looking at the building in the picture, but have to pepper this thread with negative stuff about the building, its function and generally negative stuff about North Korea. If this building was American people would have reacted in a completely different way.
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You fail, here's why.

When I initially saw the building I thought it was pretty neat looking, the only reason I was hesitant to respond was because YOU had posed the question. I simply deduced you had some bizarre ulterior motive for making the thread and that you weren't really interested in my opinion of the building, only how you could distort my opinion to accommodate your agenda. I'm guessing the other posters had a similar thought process.
 
Ethereal said:
You fail, here's why.

When I initially saw the building I thought it was pretty neat looking, the only reason I was hesitant to respond was because YOU had posed the question. I simply deduced you had some bizarre ulterior motive for making the thread and that you weren't really interested in my opinion of the building, only how you could distort my opinion to accommodate your agenda. I'm guessing the other posters had a similar thought process.
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Exactamundo.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I dont want to believe that. The poll was there to accommodate a suspicion I had about how this thread would turn out, and indeed I was right.
People cannot focus on just looking at the building in the picture, but have to pepper this thread with negative stuff about the building, its function and generally negative stuff about North Korea. If this building was American people would have reacted in a completely different way.
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No. That's not what they're saying, and that's not a fair reading of this thread, at all.

But it IS what you wanted to find. Like I said, it was obvious. Weak.

(By the way, Americans have no problem calling an ugly building an ugly building, no matter where it sits. God knows there are enough over here.)
 
Ethereal said:
You fail, here's why.

When I initially saw the building I thought it was pretty neat looking, the only reason I was hesitant to respond was because YOU had posed the question. I simply deduced you had some bizarre ulterior motive for making the thread and that you weren't really interested in my opinion of the building, only how you could distort my opinion to accommodate your agenda. I'm guessing the other posters had a similar thought process.
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Yeah, it's kind of a recurring motif. But it's obvious, dormitory stuff.
 
Ethereal said:
You fail, here's why.

When I initially saw the building I thought it was pretty neat looking, the only reason I was hesitant to respond was because YOU had posed the question. I simply deduced you had some bizarre ulterior motive for making the thread and that you weren't really interested in my opinion of the building, only how you could distort my opinion to accommodate your agenda. I'm guessing the other posters had a similar thought process.
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I am just asking a question. If you think anything else then the problem is all yours, and apparently other peoples also. Motive doesn't matter. The question is so simple that even you should be able to understand it.. I haven't used any fancy language of fancy words or hidden meaning like I often do, which usually confuse you enormously.
 
Harshaw said:
No. That's not what they're saying, and that's not a fair reading of this thread, at all.

But it IS what you wanted to find. Like I said, it was obvious. Weak.

(By the way, Americans have no problem calling an ugly building an ugly building, no matter where it sits. God knows there are enough over here.)
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So, you believe 100% of the ones who have said the building is not nice/cool looking is saying that because they actually do not think its cool/nice looking?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
You didn't prove how people would react if it were in America.

You proved that people wouldn't like it. Whether it's because it's in North Korea or not may vary from person to person.
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I didnt prove that, nor did I intend to.. The last comment about "if the building was American..." is just my speculative opinion.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Exactamundo.
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Actually I was ONLY interested in you peoples opinion about the building, and nothing else really, but an interesting side effect of the poll would be to see if the opinion is bias against it because its a North Korean building. And watching the current result, there i most likely some bias against it just exactly because its North Korean..

You people thinking in a uniform way and your inability to break away from that doesn't prove anything. (As a reaction to you and ethereal, not the thread or result)
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
So, you believe 100% of the ones who have said the building is not nice/cool looking is saying that because they actually do not think its cool/nice looking?
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What, besides your desire to prove that Americans hate it because it's in North Korea, would make you think otherwise? It's a butt-ugly building.

Hey, guys --

Here's a building built by those evil Soviets -- what do you think?

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Harshaw said:
What, besides your desire to prove that Americans hate it because it's in North Korea, would make you think otherwise? It's a butt-ugly building.

Hey, guys --

Here's a building built by those evil Soviets -- what do you think?

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That is a nice building.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Actually I was ONLY interested in you peoples opinion about the building, and nothing else really, but an interesting side effect of the poll would be to see if the opinion is bias against it because its a North Korean building. And watching the current result, there i most likely some bias against it just exactly because its North Korean..

You people thinking in a uniform way and your inability to break away from that doesn't prove anything. (As a reaction to you and ethereal, not the thread or result)
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"You people thinking in a uniform way"?

"You people" = two people :rofl

I hope you feel better about yourself. :roll:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
The last comment about "if the building was American..." is just my speculative opinion.
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No kidding? :doh

Yes, we know what you think of Americans.
 
I just showed the picture to my wife. She said she had seen it before on MBC (Munhwa Broadcasting Corporation) Seoul Korea. In her opinion the money could have been better spent to feed her people. Personally I think the building has a cool shape. But its hard to seperate the facts concerning its construction from its coolness or lack thereof.
 
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