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  • Holmes: “shocking” and “very systematic” destruction of industry.

    9 60.00%
  • Alwadeya: bulldozer tracks on the roof of his crushed food factory.

    8 53.33%
  • Kehel: bulldozer tracks and 20,000 dead fish at his fish farm.

    8 53.33%
  • Hamad: 10,000 tons of wheat destroyed at the flour mill.

    8 53.33%
  • Leibovich: "We only targeted places used to attack Israeli civilians."

    7 46.67%
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    These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    Before the offensive, Alwadeya's factory was by far the largest food producer in Gaza.

    During a visit this week to the industrial zone in the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun where the Alwadeya factory is located, U.N. humanitarian chief John Holmes said the extent of the wreckage was "shocking," especially the "very systematic" destruction of industry.

    "What strikes me is how deliberate this was," Alwadeya said Wednesday, pointing at the earth dug up next to one of his assembly plants by an Israeli army bulldozer, apparently to create a ramp so it could then roll onto the factory. Bulldozer or tank tracks were still visible on the collapsed roof.

    At Gaza's largest private fish farm, owner Sohail Kehel was in tears Wednesday as he sifted through some of the 20,000 dead fish now rotting in the six destroyed artificial ponds where he once raised red snapper.

    There was no trace of explosives or any ammunition casings in the open stretch of farmland where his enterprise was based along the coast in central Gaza. Large expanses of bulldozer tracks and shoveled earth left by Israeli military vehicles were all that remained.

    Like Alwadeya, Kehel was holed up at home when the destruction occurred. However, both men insist gunbattles were highly unlikely because their businesses lie on open ground where militants would find no cover for fighting and in areas that were occupied early on by Israeli ground forces.

    Both also note the fact that the destruction of their infrastructure was a lengthy process involving bulldozers.

    “Beyond the human losses, the economy is the other great victim of this war," said Amr Hamad, Gaza's executive manager for the Palestinian Federation of Industries.

    "What hadn't been destroyed by the siege (Israeli sanctions) was finished off by bombs and tanks," Hamad said, adding that 60 percent of Gaza's cement plants are now inoperable and a third of all metal workshops were destroyed. Airstrikes also targeted the territory's largest flour mill, wiping out 10,000 tons of wheat, as well as its Pepsi-Cola bottling plant and the locally made rival, Mecca Cola.

    Israeli military spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich said the army never intentionally targeted Palestinian businesses, but that militants often used civilian infrastructure as cover to carry out attacks.

    "Sometimes the owners of factories and houses were not aware they had weapons stashed in their basements or tunnels under their houses," she said. "We only targeted places used by Hamas to attack Israeli civilians."

    Source: Gaza’s economy in tatters, can it be rebuilt?
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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    [GOOGLE]Sometimes the owners of factories and houses were not aware they had weapons stashed in their basements or tunnels under their houses," she said. "We only targeted places used by Hamas to attack Israeli civilians."

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    And we are supposed to believe this ?
    There is a war going on in Gaza and war is hell- when will man ever learn this ?
    Probably not until he is dead..., which, BTW, is too damned late..

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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    If "terrorism" means "aiming civilians and their properties", then this is probably "terrorism"

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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    "Sometimes the owners of factories and houses were not aware they had weapons stashed in their basements or tunnels under their houses," she said. "We only targeted places used by Hamas to attack Israeli civilians."

    Wow... This should not surprise me as much as it does.
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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    [GOOGLE]Sometimes the owners of factories and houses were not aware they had weapons stashed in their basements or tunnels under their houses," she said. "We only targeted places used by Hamas to attack Israeli civilians."

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    And we are supposed to believe this ?
    There is a war going on in Gaza and war is hell- when will man ever learn this ?
    Probably not until he is dead..., which, BTW, is too damned late..
    "At Gaza's largest private fish farm, owner Sohail Kehel was in tears Wednesday as he sifted through some of the 20,000 dead fish now rotting in the six destroyed artificial ponds where he once raised red snapper.

    "There was no trace of explosives or any ammunition casings in the open stretch of farmland where his enterprise was based along the coast in central Gaza. Large expanses of bulldozer tracks and shoveled earth left by Israeli military vehicles were all that remained."


    Building a ramp so they can drive a bulldozer back and forth over the collapsed roof of a food factory is not "searching for weapons," nor is bulldozing a fish farm.

    Obviously, the IDF is trying to starve the civilian population into submission. That's genocide.
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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    "At Gaza's largest private fish farm, owner Sohail Kehel was in tears Wednesday as he sifted through some of the 20,000 dead fish now rotting in the six destroyed artificial ponds where he once raised red snapper.

    "There was no trace of explosives or any ammunition casings in the open stretch of farmland where his enterprise was based along the coast in central Gaza. Large expanses of bulldozer tracks and shoveled earth left by Israeli military vehicles were all that remained."


    Building a ramp so they can drive a bulldozer back and forth over the collapsed roof of a food factory is not "searching for weapons," nor is bulldozing a fish farm.

    Obviously, the IDF is trying to starve the civilian population into submission. That's genocide.
    and that would be hysteria

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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    and that would be hysteria
    ...and this would be drive-by partisan nonsense.
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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    Why don't they just say that the smuggling tunnel consists of 100% of the underground territory and bomb 100% of Gaza seeing as they feel its legal. Sounds close to what they are doing now.
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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    ...and this would be drive-by partisan nonsense.
    actually just tired of people throwing around the word genocide when they support the losing side of a war

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: These people have inconsistent statements. Which one is lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    "At Gaza's largest private fish farm, owner Sohail Kehel was in tears Wednesday as he sifted through some of the 20,000 dead fish now rotting in the six destroyed artificial ponds where he once raised red snapper.

    "There was no trace of explosives or any ammunition casings in the open stretch of farmland where his enterprise was based along the coast in central Gaza. Large expanses of bulldozer tracks and shoveled earth left by Israeli military vehicles were all that remained."

    Building a ramp so they can drive a bulldozer back and forth over the collapsed roof of a food factory is not "searching for weapons," nor is bulldozing a fish farm.

    Obviously, the IDF is trying to starve the civilian population into submission. That's genocide.
    Are people starving?
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