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    Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    No, it was founded on the Constitution. The Founding Fathers of this country signed the Constitution, not the Bible.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    It was founded on principles that were around way before the Bible.

    Most of the founding fathers were not your typical Christians. There is no reference to "God". There is a reference to a "creator", however, that can mean anything.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?


    Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by a UNANIMOUS Senate vote on June 17th, 1797, and signed by President John Adams on June 10th, 1797.

    Not to mention, the majority of colonists in America weren't Bible-thumpers, but rather those of the Enlightenment movement. Deists, not theists.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post

    Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by a UNANIMOUS Senate vote on June 17th, 1797, and signed by President John Adams on June 10th, 1797.

    Not to mention, the majority of colonists in America weren't Bible-thumpers, but rather those of the Enlightenment movement. Deists, not theists.
    Forgot about that one.

    Good call.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post

    Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by a UNANIMOUS Senate vote on June 17th, 1797, and signed by President John Adams on June 10th, 1797.

    Not to mention, the majority of colonists in America weren't Bible-thumpers, but rather those of the Enlightenment movement. Deists, not theists.
    Article 11 was NOT in the Arabic version, which is authoritative.

    However, there is the 1783 Treaty of Paris. A far MORE important document relating to the founding of the United States

    In the name of the most holy and individed Trinity.
    The very first ten words of the treaty that established the independence of the colonies from England.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Forgot about that one.

    Good call.
    Wrong. Not in the original text of the treaty. It was totally made up by the American negotiator who submitted the treaty to the Senate. Besides, that treaty was completely broken by the Bey of Tripoli just a few years later, and contradicts the first ten words of the 1783 Treaty of Paris.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Wrong. Not in the original text of the treaty. It was totally made up by the American negotiator who submitted the treaty to the Senate. Besides, that treaty was completely broken by the Bey of Tripoli just a few years later, and contradicts the first ten words of the 1783 Treaty of Paris.
    proof?

    Even so, you cannot deny the other comments against it being the foundation of America.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    What are these principles that are exclusively Christian?
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Yes of course America was founded upon Christian and not secular principals. The Pilgrims left England to establish a more strict and fundamental religion than that practiced by the Church of England. Which they viewed as corrupted by backsliding politicians focused on compromise rather vigorous religious standards. They sought to establish a more theocratic society and to that end they arrived in Holland in 1608 where they found complete freedom. Twelve years later they left Holland for Massachusetts because the Dutch honored too few religious restrictions!

    All of the original colonies but Rhode Island aimed to establish religious communities that would be more rigorous and restrictive, not more open and accepting than the Church of England. Sabbath was strictly enforced as was mandated attendance at worship services and tax money was used to support seminaries such as Harvard and Yale, to benefit “Christian Commonwealths.” Of the original thirteen colonies, ten mentioned religious purpose in the founding documents. Virginia’s initial charter from King James called for the “propagation of Christian religion to such People as yet live in Darkness.” Delaware’s charter explicitly commands “further propagation of the Holy Gospel.” The Quakers in Pennsylvania and the Catholics in Maryland founded their colonies to provide denominational havens for their religions. The Dutch settlement of New Amsterdam's Calvinist dictates ruthlessly drove out Quakers and only reluctantly accepted a minuscule amount of Jewish settlers. Of the original thirteen colonies only Rhode Island made a consistent priority of religious tolerance and openness to dissenters.
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