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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    okay apparently since there is a lack of the "It's founded on Christian principles" side answering the "exclusive Christian principles" question, and they do not compare the ten commandments to the constitution, or any legal documentation, I think it is best to go ahead and rule out the idea of it being a Christian Exclusive nation-state. I do, however, feel it to be a RELIGIOUS nation-state, but not an exclusively Christian one.. to disagree with that is to take the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution and to disregard the specific wording of it. Don't forget that the writer of the DoI, Mr. Jefferson, was flaming Deist; I don't care what church your little source says he was a part of.

    And please Jerry. Don't get the terminology of Nation and State/Country mixed up here. United States is a country. Within the United States border there are Americans, and America is an ever-so abstract Nation.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by buttonpsi View Post
    Why do you continue to deny Historical Facts?

    Did you not read my post? go back and re-think this spray of BS.
    I am convinced of my historical facts. The founding fathers were believers in Judeo-Christian principles. I think your posts are the spray of BS.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Beliefs of the Founding Fathers - Quotes from our Founding Fathers on Religion
    Information gathered by the American Policy Roundtable

    George Washington
    Source - Christianity As An Influence On The Founding Fathers by John A. Sterling
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "I now make it my earnest prayer the God would have you and the State over which you preside, in His holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the field; and, finally, that he would be most graciously pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind, which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation." June 8, 1783 in a letter to the governors of the states on disbanding the army.


    Thomas Jefferson
    Source - America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, ed. William J. Federer, FAME publishing, Inc. 1994
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." 1781, Query XVIII of his Notes on that State of Virginia.

    "My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others..." April 21, 1803 in a letter to Dr. Benjamin.

    “The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

    “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus....I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."




    James Madison
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "Religion is the basis and Foundation of Government." June 20, 1785

    "It is not the talking but the walking and working person that is the true Christian." In a manuscript on the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles, Madison makes this statement.

    "We have all been encouraged to feel in the guardianship and guidance of that Almighty Being, whose power regulates the destiny of nations." March 4, 1809 Inaugural Address

    “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]




    Benjamin Franklin
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "Here is my Creed. I believe in on God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

    That the most acceptable service we render to Him is in doing good to His other Children. That the soul of Man is immortal, and will be treated with Justice in another Life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound Religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever Sect I meet with them.

    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, is the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see." March 9, 1790 in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University

    "Heavenly Father, May all revere Thee, And become They dutiful children and faithful subjects. May thy Laws be obeyed on earth as perfectly as they are in Heaven. Provide for us this day as Thou hast hitherto daily done. Forgive us our trespasses, and enable us likewise to forgive those that offended us. Keep us out of temptation and deliver us from Evil." Franklin's own version of the Lord's Prayer

    “God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” – Constitutional Convention of 1787, original manuscript of this speech




    John Adams
    Belief - Unitarian

    "The Christian religion is above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and Humanity. Let the Blackguard Paine say what he will; it is Resignation to God, it is Goodness itself to Man." July 26, 1796, in his diary.

    "I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

    "The Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount contain my religion..." November 4, 1816 in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

    "As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation." December 27, 1816 in a letter to Judge F.A. Van der Kemp.

    The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature. (taken from a letter to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813)
    Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.

    Jesus is benevolence personified, an example for all men… The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equity, and love; it is the religion of the head and the heart


    For more information on quotes from these founding fathers and many others, please see: America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, ed. William J. Federer, FAME Publishing, Inc. 1994.


    Resources
    Listen to The Public Square

    Listen To: Day 1: Christianity and the Constitution with John Eidsmoe

    Listen To: Day 2: Christianity and the Constitution with John Eidsmoe

    Ten Tortured Words - Interview with Stephen Mansfield



    Books
    Order Christianity and the Constitution, by John Eidsmoe

    FREE U.S. Constitution

    Defending the Declaration, by Gary Amos

    Samuel Adams - Father of the American Revolution, Mark Puls

    Quotes

    Taken from America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, ed. William J. Federer

    Beliefs

    Taken from Religious Affiliation of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America, Adherents.com

    Resources
    Rediscovering American History - Was America founded on Biblical principles?


    The American Policy Roundtable
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Good luck. No one even attempted to answer my question about exclusive Christian principles.
    If you directed your questions to the OP then it's not appropriate for anyone but the thread's author to answer them.

    Arch Enemy has asked similar questions to the general member ship and I provided sourced answers. If you would kindly repost your questions regarding the founder's intentions and motivations rather than what the OP meant to ask, I would be more than happy to offer my best answers.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Beliefs of the Founding Fathers - Quotes from our Founding Fathers on Religion
    Information gathered by the American Policy Roundtable

    George Washington
    Source - Christianity As An Influence On The Founding Fathers by John A. Sterling
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "I now make it my earnest prayer the God would have you and the State over which you preside, in His holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the field; and, finally, that he would be most graciously pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind, which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation." June 8, 1783 in a letter to the governors of the states on disbanding the army.


    Thomas Jefferson
    Source - America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, ed. William J. Federer, FAME publishing, Inc. 1994
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." 1781, Query XVIII of his Notes on that State of Virginia.

    "My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others..." April 21, 1803 in a letter to Dr. Benjamin.

    “The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

    “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus....I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."




    James Madison
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "Religion is the basis and Foundation of Government." June 20, 1785

    "It is not the talking but the walking and working person that is the true Christian." In a manuscript on the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles, Madison makes this statement.

    "We have all been encouraged to feel in the guardianship and guidance of that Almighty Being, whose power regulates the destiny of nations." March 4, 1809 Inaugural Address

    “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]




    Benjamin Franklin
    Belief - Episcopalian

    "Here is my Creed. I believe in on God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

    That the most acceptable service we render to Him is in doing good to His other Children. That the soul of Man is immortal, and will be treated with Justice in another Life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound Religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever Sect I meet with them.

    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, is the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see." March 9, 1790 in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University

    "Heavenly Father, May all revere Thee, And become They dutiful children and faithful subjects. May thy Laws be obeyed on earth as perfectly as they are in Heaven. Provide for us this day as Thou hast hitherto daily done. Forgive us our trespasses, and enable us likewise to forgive those that offended us. Keep us out of temptation and deliver us from Evil." Franklin's own version of the Lord's Prayer

    “God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” – Constitutional Convention of 1787, original manuscript of this speech




    John Adams
    Belief - Unitarian

    "The Christian religion is above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and Humanity. Let the Blackguard Paine say what he will; it is Resignation to God, it is Goodness itself to Man." July 26, 1796, in his diary.

    "I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

    "The Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount contain my religion..." November 4, 1816 in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

    "As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation." December 27, 1816 in a letter to Judge F.A. Van der Kemp.

    The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature. (taken from a letter to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813)
    Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.

    Jesus is benevolence personified, an example for all men… The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equity, and love; it is the religion of the head and the heart


    For more information on quotes from these founding fathers and many others, please see: America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, ed. William J. Federer, FAME Publishing, Inc. 1994.


    Resources
    Listen to The Public Square

    Listen To: Day 1: Christianity and the Constitution with John Eidsmoe

    Listen To: Day 2: Christianity and the Constitution with John Eidsmoe

    Ten Tortured Words - Interview with Stephen Mansfield



    Books
    Order Christianity and the Constitution, by John Eidsmoe

    FREE U.S. Constitution

    Defending the Declaration, by Gary Amos

    Samuel Adams - Father of the American Revolution, Mark Puls

    Quotes

    Taken from America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, ed. William J. Federer

    Beliefs

    Taken from Religious Affiliation of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America, Adherents.com

    Resources
    Rediscovering American History - Was America founded on Biblical principles?


    The American Policy Roundtable
    Ohio Roundtable | Florida Policy Roundtable
    11288 Alameda Drive
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    (800) 522-VOTE | info@aproundtable.org

    Please tell me, if these guys were so gung-ho about Christianity then why did they not use the Christian terminology within the DoI and the Constitution. You would think that referring to "God " as "Creator" is not a normal mistake, it seems to be making a more ambiguous term.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Please tell me, if these guys were so gung-ho about Christianity then why did they not use the Christian terminology within the DoI and the Constitution. You would think that referring to "God " as "Creator" is not a normal mistake, it seems to be making a more ambiguous term.
    Also the 1st Amendment is in conflict with the 1st Commandment.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    My opinion is that they wanted a secular nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles but open to everyone. I believe they wanted a nation of religious freedom where everyone could worship and believe in their own way. Many religions have different names for God, but he is creator to all of them. That's just my opinion.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you directed your questions to the OP then it's not appropriate for anyone but the thread's author to answer them.

    Arch Enemy has asked similar questions to the general member ship and I provided sourced answers. If you would kindly repost your questions regarding the founder's intentions and motivations rather than what the OP meant to ask, I would be more than happy to offer my best answers.
    Yet, you just responded to my post that wasn't directed at you.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    My opinion is that they wanted a secular nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles but open to everyone. I believe they wanted a nation of religious freedom where everyone could worship and believe in their own way. Many religions have different names for God, but he is creator to all of them. That's just my opinion.
    Our system/structure of governance is is based of the Roman system

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    I thought the principles of democracy were ancient Greek principles?

    And that the principles of a Republican Democracy came from Ancient Rome?

    Neither of these were Christian.



    What prinicples that were used to found the nation were Christian and what nations with a Christian majority employed these prinicples prior to the US?


    It appears to me that the founding principles of our nation (A democratic Republic) are clearly of ancient Greek and Roman origin. If we are indeed founded on Christian principles, I would need comparative examples of which principles we have (and had at our foundation) that are:

    1. Unique to Christianity

    2. Absent from Ancient Greek and Roman democratic societies.
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