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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

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    The people who penned and signed the Constitution forming our seculer governement were decidly Christian:

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    The very Declaration of Independence was based on the authority of the Judeo-Christian God and rights God affords to Man.

    So yes, America was founded as a Christian nation.

    Please, show me where there's the inclination that the Declaration of Independence is in reference to the "Judeo-Christian" God?


    Natural law assumes that all people believe in the same Judeo-Christian God and thus share an understanding of natural law premises
    It is an assumption and not fact.

    Please, also show me how the Ten Commandments and the United States Constitution compare. Here's a hint, there is no "Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother".

    It is apparent that the Constitution in itself is based on the "Golden Rule" which is not exclusively Christian. Infact, the entire American Nation is based on it. Laws are under the universal principle that all mens freedom are equal to all other mens freedom (equality), which is not an exclusive principle.

    Okay that's a great list. I attend a Southern Baptist church while home, but that doesn't make me a believer in Christ. Infact I believe it is impoosible to "Know" go, and if you think that you actually "know" God then you are either claiming mans knowledge of the metaphysical world, or you are claiming that God is not of the metaphysical world.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Please, show me where there's the inclination that the Declaration of Independence is in reference to the "Judeo-Christian" God?

    It is an assumption and not fact.

    Please, also show me how the Ten Commandments and the United States Constitution compare. Here's a hint, there is no "Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother".

    It is apparent that the Constitution in itself is based on the "Golden Rule" which is not exclusively Christian. Infact, the entire American Nation is based on it. Laws are under the universal principle that all mens freedom are equal to all other mens freedom (equality), which is not an exclusive principle.

    Okay that's a great list. I attend a Southern Baptist church while home, but that doesn't make me a believer in Christ. Infact I believe it is impoosible to "Know" go, and if you think that you actually "know" God then you are either claiming mans knowledge of the metaphysical world, or you are claiming that God is not of the metaphysical world.
    In the pursuit of the freedom to practice Christianity away from the arms of the Crown's national religion, group of traditional Christians get together and start talking about "Nature's God" and "Creator". Yet, even after these exact same Christians pen codified regulation praising "the many signal favors of Almighty God", you still have no idea if they're talking about any god or what God specifically they may have been referring to.

    Nice.

    I'm not sure you're worth my effort to quote Federalist papers, etc, to drive the point home. I would very much like you to provide counter evidence to oppose my argument.

    Simply stating that you don't agree or don't understand does not prove my argument inaccurate.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I understand, but what I am getting at is that to say it was "founded on Christian principles" means that it was founded on principles exclusive to Christianity.

    The true answer is that United States were founded on Universal Ethics.

    There's quite a leap between the deism of the founding fathers and Christianity.
    How about this then.....

    The founding fathers were believers in Judeo-Christian principles. Would you agree with that?

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I think a more correct term would be "Christian-Judeo" Principles. Of course the United States was founded on Christian-Judeo principles. The claim otherwise is to deny the reality of historical fact. I'm sure some will because the left keeps trying to rewrite history every day.

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    Why do you continue to deny Historical Facts?

    Did you not read my post? go back and re-think this spray of BS.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by buttonpsi View Post
    Why do you continue to deny Historical Facts?

    Did you not read my post? go back and re-think this spray of BS.
    You mean like historical "facts" of the ilk of Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli?
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    your all talking apples and oranges. The nation was founded on some christian principles because those that founded it were mainly christian.

    No Christian Doctrine was formally put into our laws. There are christian ideas in our laws but the bible was not quoted in the Constitution on Purpose.. Our founders loved God, but they did not want to continue the constant European strife that had smashed Europe for over 500 years. It was the practical thing to do. They learned from European mistakes.

    Freedom of Religious choice and Seperation of church and state in our laws and institutions was the result of years of war and blood.

    To give one church or one belief dominance over the USA, would be a disaster. Death and civil war could easily follow.

    I love God, I love Jesus Christ, but please don't insert them into our political process. I don't believe in the doctrine of one true church or Creed, so I would be killed by a good christian.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    This is a complex question and one far too vague to be answered without some clarifying questions of my own:

    1) What do you mean "founded on"?
    2) What principles are we talking about?
    3) What type of Christianity are we discussing?
    4) Do you mean exclusively Christian principles?

    I imagine there may be others spawned by the answers to these questions, but these seem like a good start.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is a complex question and one far too vague to be answered without some clarifying questions of my own:

    1) What do you mean "founded on"?
    2) What principles are we talking about?
    3) What type of Christianity are we discussing?
    4) Do you mean exclusively Christian principles?

    I imagine there may be others spawned by the answers to these questions, but these seem like a good start.
    Good luck. No one even attempted to answer my question about exclusive Christian principles.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Good luck. No one even attempted to answer my question about exclusive Christian principles.
    I noticed that. That's why I asked mine. Let's just keep asking.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I noticed that. That's why I asked mine. Let's just keep asking.
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