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Thread: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Well this is not my first rodeo and I have put in plenty of MOD time. The MODs here might not do anything about it but I’ve seen plenty of boards that is not the case at. I frequent one now, where if you have a trolling pattern you get to correct it or go bye bye. And there is something we can all do about it, call it out when we see it. Sometimes you see the pattern and make it a DM and try to channel the trollery to the appropriate place in the forum too, I guess. Clearly that did not work, so I’ll just call a troll a troll.
    I am not new to people blowing a gasket when I ask questions that make people uncomfortable. I asked that question that was pertinent to the topic. No one answered. Then I creatively "bumped" my question. I don't think we were founded on Christian principles. Our founders may have been Christian. But I don't see the major principles that I think we were founded on coming from religion. Democracy wasn't. Taxation without representation wasn't. Freedom from governmental religious persecution may be debateable. Basically the only answer I saw was that since the FF were Christian, their ideas were Christian principles. Did I miss a specific principle?
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I am not new to people blowing a gasket when I ask questions that make people uncomfortable. I asked that question that was pertinent to the topic. No one answered. Then I creatively "bumped" my question. I don't think we were founded on Christian principles. Our founders may have been Christian. But I don't see the major principles that I think we were founded on coming from religion. Democracy wasn't. Taxation without representation wasn't. Freedom from governmental religious persecution may be debateable. Basically the only answer I saw was that since the FF were Christian, their ideas were Christian principles. Did I miss a specific principle?
    How about man having a creator and all men being equal. That is a Christian principle.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    How about man having a creator and all men being equal. That is a Christian principle.
    That is a Deist principle as well.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    How about man having a creator and all men being equal. That is a Christian principle.
    They may have believed that man has a creator, but that IMO has nothing to do with our country's foundation.

    They certainly didn't believe that all men were created equally. They did say that. Actions speak louder than words though.

    Thanks for the specific principle though. I do appreciate that.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    That is a Deist principle as well.
    Okay. It is still a Christian principle. Being a Diest principle does not rule out the fact it is also Christian.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And to some extent, you're probably correct. One of the reasons that, in historical context, when founded, the US was such a forward-thinking anomaly.
    One could say that the US was actually a "backward-thinking" anomaly, because the principles upon which the US was founded predate Jesus.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Our forefathers were religious. (I'm guessing they were religious Christians..)
    No doubt they placed at lease a little of their beliefs in their works.

    BUT was it only founded on Christian principles? No.

    In fact, Thomas Jefferson, who put much of his ideas into our works, was as anti-religious as they get in those days.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    Our forefathers were religious. (I'm guessing they were religious Christians..)
    No doubt they placed at lease a little of their beliefs in their works.

    BUT was it only founded on Christian principles? No.

    In fact, Thomas Jefferson, who put much of his ideas into our works, was as anti-religious as they get in those days.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post

    Well quite a few people were able to immediately see the question and discern that it seemed to be about were the principals secular or Christian. But as you say it could all be down to personal interpretation. Though I note after asking your questions, you have arrived at the same answer that I and others started providing, on the first page of the thread. I guess some of us are just quicker than others.
    Or perhaps some of us are more inquisitive and look for deeper meanings than others. It's all a matter of persepctive

    Oh touché! My agenda is really pretty simple though. There are some posters here at DP who routinely pop into threads and rather than engage in a discussion or the topic of the thread, do all sorts of other things. They “ask” questions and make jokes but very little else. Sometimes when you look through a thread, you notice that aside from one liners and “questions” these same posters never manage to actually do anything aside from that. Ask “questions” and joke, thread after thread.
    There is a word for that and it is called lazy. I also find troll is commonly attached to this behavior as well. Nes pa? So if one wants to see a perfect example of lazy they need only look through this thread. Notice how even at this late point in the thread some here still can’t manage to do more than imitate a Romper Room doo-bee. Why is the sky blue? Why is the grass green? What is chlorophyll? Jesus……………..all puns intended.

    By the way IT, what ever else you do don’t dare address the OP or bravely explain your answer to the question. This sitting on the sidelines aint all that impressive, but it is transparently easy. You got a frakin opinion on the topic here at a opinion debate website? Then why not put on a cup and come on out on the playing field?

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Source please?
    Here is some reading for ya. And if all else fails look to the Federalist Papers
    Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians

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