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Thread: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Then what is the definition of The United States Nation.

    Please, stop pussy-toeing around this question.
    You're telling me that I am at fault for assuming the average member has a grade school education and/or access to a dictionary.

    My bad.

    Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

    nation - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    united states - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're telling me that I am at fault for assuming the average member has a grade school education and/or access to a dictionary.

    My bad.

    Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

    nation - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    united states - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    JERRY, for the love of all that is holy.

    Ok **** it. I'll bite.

    1) The link you provided is not defining the United States in which we are currently citizens are, as it was pertaining to a European Concept.

    2) The United States of America is defined as
    Quote Originally Posted by Webster
    country North America bordering on Atlantic, Pacific, & Arctic oceans; a federal republic ∗ Washington area 3,619,969 square miles (9,375,720 square kilometers), population 281,421,906

    A COUNTRY AND A NATION ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT A NATION IT IS A COUNTRY.
    Last edited by Arch Enemy; 01-31-09 at 05:42 PM.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    They are the principles of Christianity. I never said that they were unique or exclusive to Christianity. I sure wouldn't say that Christianity was founded upon them.
    Well now I fail completely to understand why anyone is asking about exclusively Christian principals.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Thou shalt not worship any other Gods before Me vs. Worship any God you like.
    The 10 commandments are not restrictions on God whereas the amendments are restrictions on government.

    Commandment 1 is telling you to do something, Amendment 1 is not.

    Commandment 1 places an obligation on you personally, Amendment 1 does not.

    And besides, I don't see God stopping anyone from worshiping other gods, do you? Ever notice that the 10 Commandments to not proscribe a punishment? There's a reason for that, but I digress.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well now I fail completely to understand why anyone is asking about exclusively Christian principals.



    The 10 commandments are not restrictions on God whereas the amendments are restrictions on government.

    Commandment 1 is telling you to do something, Amendment 1 is not.

    Commandment 1 places an obligation on you personally, Amendment 1 does not.

    And besides, I don't see God stopping anyone from worshiping other gods, do you? Ever notice that the 10 Commandments to not proscribe a punishment? There's a reason for that, but I digress.
    My head's starting to hurt. You don't even know your own bible. THERE IS A PUNISHMENT.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 17; 2-7

    “If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the LORD your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, 4 and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death. 6 “On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. 7 “The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    A COUNTRY AND A NATION ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT A NATION IT IS A COUNTRY.
    Out of the kindness of my cold, black heart, I'll give you the opportunity to amend or retract that statement before proceeding to prove it wrong.

    I mean, even the source I gave in the post you quoted contradicts your claim.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Out of the kindness of my cold, black heart, I'll give you the opportunity to amend or retract that statement before proceeding to prove it wrong.

    I mean, even the source I gave in the post you quoted contradicts your claim.
    Bring it on buddy. The United States of America is defined as a country. And please, look through here (define: United States of America - Google Search) and tell me a definition that does call it a nation.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    My head's starting to hurt. You don't even know your own bible. THERE IS A PUNISHMENT.
    Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 17; 2-7

    “If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the LORD your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, 4 and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death. 6 “On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. 7 “The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
    Are we in Israel?

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Are we in Israel?
    Dude are you serious?

    Are you trying to claim that the laws of the old testament do not pertain to you because you don't live in Israel?
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    You know what. I am going to go along and play with your idea of specifics with in the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Cor 15
    Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

    3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

    Paul/Saul was a Jew. Sosthenes was a Jew. Corinth was a "strong Jewish nucleus".

    Therefore YOU, my friend, are not a part of "our". Therefore, Christ did not die for you, so you are wasting your time.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Bring it on buddy. The United States of America is defined as a country. And please, look through here (define: United States of America - Google Search) and tell me a definition that does call it a nation.
    Ok, lube up.....

    United States
    : a federation of states especially when forming a nation in a usually specified territory <advocating a United States of Europe>
    United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    [...]

    At 3.79 million square miles (9.83 million km˛) and with about 305 million people, the United States is the third or fourth largest country by total area, and third largest by land area and by population. The United States is one of the world's most ethnically diverse and multicultural nations, the product of large-scale immigration from many countries.[7] The U.S. economy is the largest national economy in the world, with an estimated 2008 gross domestic product (GDP) of US$14.3 trillion (23% of the world total based on nominal GDP and almost 21% at purchasing power parity).[4][8]

    The nation was founded by thirteen colonies of Great Britain located along the Atlantic seaboard. On July 4, 1776, they issued the Declaration of Independence, which proclaimed their independence from Great Britain and their formation of a cooperative union. The rebellious states defeated Great Britain in the American Revolutionary War, the first successful colonial war of independence.[9] A federal convention adopted the current United States Constitution on September 17, 1787; its ratification the following year made the states part of a single republic with a strong central government. The Bill of Rights, comprising ten constitutional amendments guaranteeing many fundamental civil rights and freedoms, was ratified in 1791
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    United Nations member states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And the last humiliation I'll make you suffer on this post:
    The Pledge of Allegiance to the United States Flag
    I pledge allegiance to the Flag
    of the United States of America,
    and to the Republic for which it stands:
    one Nation under God, indivisible,
    With Liberty and Justice for all.
    ***
    That issue is now at rest. I will no longer entertain the idea that the US is not a nation. Please accept correction and proceed with the greater argument on Christian motivations.

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