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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    The complexity you refer to escapes me as I've already answered this: The government is secular, the nation as a whole is Christian.

    Principals exclusive to Christianity, such as accepting Jesus as your savior, the virgin birth, etc, are absent in the Constitution. This means the governing body is not Christian.

    Principals exclusive to Christianity, such as accepting Jesus as your savior, the virgin birth, etc, were overt and dominant in the social institutions, every day behaviors, speech, history and traditions of the common man. This means the nation as a people were Christian.
    Mr. Jerry,
    We are not debating whether or not the nation (if you can consider there to be a consenting transcendent nation within United States borders) is Christian, as the majority of her people are.

    WE ARE debating whether or not the United States is Christian.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What are the exclusive Christian principles?

    Jerry offered up common principles. That would make it just as valid to say this country was founded on Buddhist principles or some other religion. Even secularists have values and principles.
    Please quote and link to a founding document penned by a Buddhist, source the Buddhist population in the 13 colonies, or any post-Constitution codified regulation praising a Buddhist god.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.
    What point was this?

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    Do you know what the First Commandment is?
    How is this question relevant?
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-31-09 at 01:16 PM.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Mr. Jerry,
    We are not debating whether or not the nation (if you can consider there to be a consenting transcendent nation within United States borders) is Christian, as the majority of her people are.

    WE ARE debating whether or not the United States is Christian.
    United States = "Nation".

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    I said you have been trolling the thread and posing your “questions” ala troll while ignoring everything and everyone that has addressed the topic. For example it would seem any literate person could at least gleam some sort of answer from Jerry’s posts as well as others. Yet for some reason you can’t quite bring yourself to stop the trolling and address the answers given DIRECTLY to your inane questions. Much less address the OP or topic, but ya sure got some Itroll material.

    Prove my case? Which one, that you have not managed to address the OP? Can't be that because you have not done it.

    OK Trolling 101:

    The OP was “Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.”

    Your trolling:
    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What are these principles that are exclusively Christian?

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    I can't think of any.

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    Good luck. No one even attempted to answer my question about exclusive Christian principles.

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    Yet, you just responded to my post that wasn't directed at you.

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    When you beat me, you gotta be fast.

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    God haters? Who always pull this one out?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What are the exclusive Christian principles?

    Jerry offered up common principles. That would make it just as valid to say this country was founded on Buddhist principles or some other religion. Even secularists have values and principles.

    I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.

    Do you know what the First Commandment is?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Aren't Christian principles laid out in the Ten Commandments?


    Any more “questions” about trolling? Because I noticed that while you were noting that nobody was responding to questions, you were not responding to questions yourself. Primarily the question the entire thread is based on. Circle jerky enough for you to get?

    Let us give it the old college go! One more time from the frakin OP, for the “independent thinker”:
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.


    Good luck, from all available evidence in this thread, you’re gonna need it.

    Or keep trolling and feigning offense when the obvious is noted. You have that working full time for you.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    United States = "Nation".
    Then in your words please tell me what the United States' nation is.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You are feeding the troll

    Oh he started feeding the troll, er himself, way back in #21…………….
    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What are these principles that are exclusively Christian?

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    I can't think of any.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Please quote and link to a founding document penned by a Buddhist, source the Buddhist population in the 13 colonies, or any post-Constitution codified regulation praising a Buddhist god.
    The question isn't whether this nation was founded by Judeo-Christians. The question is the principles. It's like saying that Fords have seat belts so it's a Ford concept. It's not. All cars have that concept.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What point was this?
    The concept behind Democracy is the principle of self determination. It comes from the Greek.

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    How is this question relevant?
    Aren't the 10 Commandments Christian principles? Don't you see how the first commandment is in opposition to the first amendment?
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    I said you have been trolling the thread and posing your “questions” ala troll while ignoring everything and everyone that has addressed the topic. For example it would seem any literate person could at least gleam some sort of answer from Jerry’s posts as well as others. Yet for some reason you can’t quite bring yourself to stop the trolling and address the answers given DIRECTLY to your inane questions. Much less address the OP or topic, but ya sure got some Itroll material.

    Prove my case? Which one, that you have not managed to address the OP? Can't be that because you have not done it.

    OK Trolling 101:

    The OP was “Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.”

    Your trolling:










    Any more “questions” about trolling? Because I noticed that while you were noting that nobody was responding to questions, you were not responding to questions yourself. Primarily the question the entire thread is based on. Circle jerky enough for you to get?

    Let us give it the old college go! One more time from the frakin OP, for the “independent thinker”:


    Good luck, from all available evidence in this thread, you’re gonna need it.

    Or keep trolling and feigning offense when the obvious is noted. You have that working full time for you.
    In order to discuss the principles I asked for clarification of these principles. No one has done that.

    You included a joke I made and a response to American's trolling. Other than that, no one has defined these principles we were founded on. You don't even attempt to but your frustration has you lashing out at me. Answer the question and we can move on. Or you can keep calling me a troll which will accomplish nothing. Your choice.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Then in your words please tell me what the United States' nation is.
    Capt'n, how is that not trolling?

    Seriously.

    I'm supposed to believe that Arch doesn't know what a nation is? I'm supposed to believe that someone who hasn’t trusted my sourced opinions so far on this thread is suddenly going to start trusting those opinions for no reason?

    Let's set aside the issue at hand for a moment. Capt'n, please tell me how Arch's question here is not trolling.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.
    I noticed that myself. It seems obvious that this country's foundation is in Democratic Republicanism. That is impossible to refute. Regardless of the religious demographics of those who built upon that foundation, the foundations was clearly built on the principles created by polytheists.

    Now, did the founders incorporate Christian ideology into framework of the country as it developed? Of course.

    Could you say it was if FOUNDED on these Christian principles? Of course not. That is an arrogant position only a person ignorant of the history of democracy and republicanism would take.

    Without the foundation laid by Greeks and Romans, this country would never have came to be. Another country might have come to be, but not a Democratic Republic.

    did you know that in the US, only one of the Catholic version of the 10 commandments is considered universally illegal in the US. That is theft. If you use a protestant version, we get two illegal commandemnts that are universally Illegal, murder and theft.

    At worst 10% of those commandments are universally illegal in the US, at best, 20%.

    Not very strong evidence of a "Christian foundation", if you ask me.

    I'd say that certain Christian ideals were employed in the FRAMEWORK of the country, but it clearly wasn't of primacy.
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