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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Since our nation was founded under the heavy influence of Masonic tenents, I have to think that no particular diety was ever intended to be endorsed.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Every time an atheist says 'it's wrong to murder' they are evidencing the universality the moral core every healthy human shares.....and the truth of scripture, ironicly.
    Just because dogma occasionally coincides with morality on some of the most obvious cases does not mean that the dogma is moral, or true, in its entirety.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Just because dogma occasionally coincides with morality on some of the most obvious cases does not mean that the dogma is moral, or true, in its entirety.
    ...your point?

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Hell No! Most of our founding fathers were Diest and wanted freedom of and from religion..

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    One of the benefits of being Conservative is the inherent ability to correctly and accurately brake down a seemingly Complex Question into its component parts and arriving at objectively true observations and conclusions about the topic at hand This is how I was able to answer the OP with a single line without the need of drawing out nuances and micro-analysis.
    This ability seems absent in most conservatives. Perhaps you are not what you claim.


    founded - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary


    A very important point to note here is that the most common use of the term "founded upon" does not require the Constitution to exist yet. Indeed, founding 13 colonies and their respective Agents of Socialization pre-date the Constitution, including the Marine Corps, therefore IMO to insist that the nation as a people began with the Constitution's ratification is pure folly and I cannot see any legitimacy or authority is such arguments.
    You still didn't answer the question. If "founded on" means "established", please explain how this relates, contextually, to the question in the OP. Does it mean that the US was based on Christian principles? Does it mean that the US was established because of Christian principles? Does it mean that the US is equated to Christian principles? The question is pretty complex.


    This is clear an is both what I thought, and answers my question. Thank you.


    Specifically:
    • Episcopalian/Anglican
    • Presbyterian
    • Congregationalist
    • Quaker
    • Dutch Reformed/German Reformed
    • Lutheran
    • Catholic
    • Huguenot
    • Unitarian
    • Methodist
    • Calvinist
    There are a wide range of beliefs inside the core of Christianity when looking at this list. Your answer is a little vague. Can you be a little more specific?


    No one has argued that America was founded on exclusively Christian principals, so no. Founding principles can be shared by other people, cultures and religions across the globe and that would change nothing.

    The fact that "do not murder" is not exclusively Christianity does not mean "do not murder" is not a Christian principal.

    It can be a Christian principal and shared by other religions.
    That is clear. Thank you.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion–as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … "(Article 11, ‘Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary,’ 1796-1797)

    Hey that wouldn't make a bad line for Obama either.
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    There is nothing vague about the OP, the USA was either founded upon Christian or secular principals. Yes the OP does include room for “dancing” which you and IT both participated in, while ignoring every single post in the thread that did address the OP. Do you need me to hook you up with perma links to the post in the thread from me Jerry and others that did address it? The ones you and IT both managed to ignore?

    I wonder, can you address the OP yourself Captain? Or are you and IT2002, instead content to sit back and merely cheery pick through the thread? While you ‘spot ignore’ the comments of those of us who have managed to address the OP and topic? I challenged IT to do the same and **poof** he vanished. Frankly I don’t care how many excuses you can make for ignoring the OP and topic to “question” those of us who could both grasp the question put forth by the OP and answer it.

    I know when I challenged IT to stop trolling the thread he simply **poof** up and vacated the thread.

    How lazy and easy is it for you to just pop in and pretend as if you don’t understand what is meant by the OP question? It is too vague for you you say? It is really very simple, if the USA was not founded upon Christian principals it must have been secular ones eh? Maybe you could muster up the effort to address the topic and thread, rather than trolling those of us who could do so?

    Do you have a “take” on this topic Captain? Or is posing “questions” to those who have one, your idea of an opinion here? How much wiggle room do you need to build into your answer to the thread/topic before you bravely answer it? Or do you really need Jerry to answer some more questions for you before you can boldly brave the tepid waters of the thread? Are they warm enough for you yet Captain? Because despite the fact that your questions have been largely answered (even before Jerry replied) all you seem to be able to do is claim it is all to vague for you, you need to pose some more questions of those who have been able to address the topic, despite the so called vague nature of it?

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion–as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … "(Article 11, ‘Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary,’ 1796-1797)

    Hey that wouldn't make a bad line for Obama either.
    A politician wrote that; you don't actually believe that **** do you?
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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    What are the exclusive Christian principles?

    Jerry offered up common principles. That would make it just as valid to say this country was founded on Buddhist principles or some other religion. Even secularists have values and principles.

    I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.

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    Re: Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What are the exclusive Christian principles?

    Jerry offered up common principles. That would make it just as valid to say this country was founded on Buddhist principles or some other religion. Even secularists have values and principles.

    I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.

    Do you know what the First Commandment is?
    Who says they have to be exclusive? Christians came here and established this country, what other principles would they use? Are you feeling okay?
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