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Thread: If the US unilaterally gave up its nukes...

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    Re: If the US unilaterally gave up its nukes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    I'm not any expert on the subject and I could have prashed the post better. Still USA stands for almost half the world military spending and including USA allies two thirds of the worlds spending. That at the same time the power of conventional weapons have increase drasticly sens the WW2. So if any countries launched nukes against USA, the retaliation with regular weapon should be catastrophic to that country ecpecially sens then all glows are off. That conventional weapon could probably do as a deterrent. If USA wanted nukes to be certain it at least doesn't needs thousands of them.
    Actually the US military is quite weak, and conventional power at its peak in 2009 is still not strong by any measure.. Some people claiming the US military is the most powerful ever and so on is just untrue if you compare with the rest of the world and the most powerful militarizes of the past compared with the rest of the world. Anyhow its ofcourse more powerful than swords and shield militarizes.

    The reality is such that we overestimate the current military capabilities of the developed world as very strong, when its actually not that strong at all. It would take years or decades for the US and Europe for example to win and conquer Russia or China together, and it would take a substantial part of our economies, and it would ruin things at home, in a conventional war, if we could ever do that, even together. The US or Europe doing it alone is just unrealistic, because militaries arent really so strong as we think they are, and military budgets, efforts, equipment and such would need a massive upgrade and at least 25% of our GDP(and 25-50% national effort) to stand any chance at waging such a war. We would need at least 25-50 million man in armed forced to take Russia completely, and this is completely counting out nuclear weapons, and it would probably take a 100 million men to permanently conquer China in the same way, or even more. Thats when our current troop numbers of 1.5 million in the US and close to 2 million in Europe seems quite weak, and our equipment capabilities far below what it needs to really be as strong as some people want to think it is.

    Remember that Germany during the second world war had a total over 20 million men in service.
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    Re: If the US unilaterally gave up its nukes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Actually the US military is quite weak, and conventional power at its peak in 2009 is still not strong by any measure.
    What military is stronger, and by what relevant measure?

    Some people claiming the US military is the most powerful ever and so on is just untrue if you compare with the rest of the world and the most powerful militarizes of the past compared with the rest of the world.
    There's not a military in history that the current US military could not soundly defeat.

    The reality is such that we overestimate the current military capabilities of the developed world as very strong, when its actually not that strong at all. It would take years or decades for the US and Europe for example to win and conquer Russia or China together, and it would take a substantial part of our economies, and it would ruin things at home, in a conventional war, if we could ever do that, even together
    How does that mean the 'current military capabilities of the developed world' are not 'very strong'?

    The US or Europe doing it alone is just unrealistic, because militaries arent really so strong as we think they are, and military budgets, efforts, equipment and such would need a massive upgrade and at least 25% of our GDP(and 25-50% national effort) to stand any chance at waging such a war.
    Do you think that repeating your argument creates support for your argument?

    We would need at least 25-50 million man in armed forced to take Russia completely....
    "Defeating" Russia/China and "taking Russia/China completely" are extraordinarily different things. One need not accomplish the latter in order to accomplish the former.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-30-09 at 10:22 AM.

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    Re: If the US unilaterally gave up its nukes...

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    France has nukes???
    They are special "surrender" nukes. They actually only explode if France decides not to run from a fight.
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    Re: If the US unilaterally gave up her nukes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    ... what other countries would follow suit?

    Please state the reasons for you answer.
    The USA is never going to give up its nuclear arsenal.

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    Re: If the US unilaterally gave up her nukes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The USA is never going to give up its nuclear arsenal.
    yes we will, when we invent something better nukes will be so passe then.
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