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Thread: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    The fact that the government can listen into my conversations at any given moment without my consent kinda.... well... bugs the **** out of me.

    One small step, right?
    I wasn't as concerned over that as I was their ability to seize corporate assets and freeze bank accounts on suspicion.

    I don't make very many calls to Iran.

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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I wasn't as concerned over that as I was their ability to seize corporate assets and freeze bank accounts on suspicion.

    I don't make very many calls to Iran.
    Once again, one small step lol.

    It's not that I have any reason to hide my conversations. It's more the fact that I have no say in my own privacy.
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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't make very many calls to Iran.
    They have been caught listening in on many journalists' "domestic" calls and emails.

    However, now that Bush is gone, I believe this has ceased.
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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They have been caught listening in on many journalists' "domestic" calls and emails.

    However, now that Bush is gone, I believe this has ceased.
    Oh yes, how could I possibly forget that Bush stepping out of office a week ago brought about sweeping changes that turned America into an Obama blessed utopia.

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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh yes, how could I possibly forget that Bush stepping out of office a week ago brought about sweeping changes that turned America into an Obama blessed utopia.
    You mean it didn't? WHY WASN'T I INFORMED?!!!
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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't really take much exception to that since it was said in the heat of the moment under intense questioning of his authority as commander in chief where the Patriot Act was concerned.
    You shouldn't. You should take exception to his years of treating it like toliet paper. But I suppose we can blame Cheney for that. Bush was always more of a tool.
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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Sure is a good thing we have those courts to rule when the president does something blatantly unconstitutional, otherwise we'd have to worry about the chief executive doing things like ordering torture, destroying mountains of questionably incriminating emails, selectively enforcing the laws passed by congress and refusing to elucidate just what the **** he's been doing to the people this republic had empowered to investigate potential malfeasance. "Nu-uh! Executive privilege!"

    Nice to know that all these things get the constitution's stamp of approval, and that this was exactly how the founding fathers intended our country to run.



    Quote Originally Posted by jallman
    It was George Bush and he said "it's just a goddamned piece of paper".

    I don't really take much exception to that since it was said in the heat of the moment under intense questioning of his authority as commander in chief where the Patriot Act was concerned.
    Isn't it the president's job to uphold the constitution? 'Cuz I'm pretty sure there's something about that in the oath one takes to become the president. Hasn't every member of the armed forces sworn defend, from enemies foreign and domestic, that "goddamned piece of paper"? And don't they swear to do that even before swearing to obey the commander in chief?

    The president saying the constitution is "just a goddamned piece of paper" is tantamount to the pope saying the bible is just a goddamned book. The fact that he said it in the heat of the moment is a very good indication of where his base impulses lead him when not he doesn't exert the effort to moderated them.

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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    Sure is a good thing we have those courts to rule when the president does something blatantly unconstitutional, otherwise we'd have to worry about the chief executive doing things like ordering torture, destroying mountains of questionably incriminating emails, selectively enforcing the laws passed by congress and refusing to elucidate just what the **** he's been doing to the people this republic had empowered to investigate potential malfeasance. "Nu-uh! Executive privilege!"

    Nice to know that all these things get the constitution's stamp of approval, and that this was exactly how the founding fathers intended our country to run.


    Isn't it the president's job to uphold the constitution? 'Cuz I'm pretty sure there's something about that in the oath one takes to become the president. Hasn't every member of the armed forces sworn defend, from enemies foreign and domestic, that "goddamned piece of paper"? And don't they swear to do that even before swearing to obey the commander in chief?

    The president saying the constitution is "just a goddamned piece of paper" is tantamount to the pope saying the bible is just a goddamned book. The fact that he said it in the heat of the moment is a very good indication of where his base impulses lead him when not he doesn't exert the effort to moderated them.
    Guess what? It is just a goddamned piece of paper. And the Bible is just a book. It's what's done with the words that matter and I don't see where the pres did anything to damage those words.

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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Guess what? It is just a goddamned piece of paper. And the Bible is just a book. It's what's done with the words that matter and I don't see where the pres did anything to damage those words.
    The outrage of the left is selective - when their people trample the constitution, they cheer it on.

    But, you knew that.

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    Re: Do the Principles of the Constitution Even Matter Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    The constitution has been under fire all through the Reagan year and the George Bush years.

    Look at this terrible expensive war, which benefits nothing to the USA.
    Look at our horrible national debt the greatest in history. We are partially owned by China now. All thanks to Bush.

    We are holding thousands of people without a trial, which the constitution is against. We are losing our freedom of our 1st Amendment, Bush hated it when we the people of the USA did not agree with him while he f***ed up everything

    The GOP has practically destroyed the united States and you make the dumb statement that the Constitution is under attack from Liberals. Take your head from the sand and start looking around.

    The GOP is not what it use to be. I was registered and an active Republican until the second term of Reagan. The hand writing was on the wall and it was filling the Walls with BS. Conservative use to be something to be proud of. What the heck is happening to America? It is like watching a many years long bad movie in the television, which started with Reagan.

    American will not be ruled by Corporate CEO dictator no matter how much Bush and his buddies want this.

    We live in a world where Liberals have become the traditional conservatives and the GOP has become radicalized to the extreme.

    We need to abandon the World Trade Organization, and NAFTA, and start taking care of Americans and America.

    God Bless America, and protect us from the Evil of the Radicalized Right Wingers.
    Thank you for this wonderfuly non-insightful, hyper partisan, hate filled, completely and utterly off topic rant. Contributed wonderfully to the topic. Have anything to say about the constitutional amendment being talked about or are you not finished with your quota of "randomly fill up a thread with crazy hyper partisan rantings" yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    A. See the 10th Amendment. The Constitution is a strict enumeration of powers. What is not included in it is off-limits to the federal government to decide. Nowhere does it include any mention of dictating to the states how to fill vacancies.
    HOWEVER, the constitution does set down ways in which one can AMEND it to add additional constitutional rights and edicts. So aquapub, do you subscribe to the beliefs and ideals of the constitution that it is a document that can be amended to include new principles and erase old principles if it is shown to be the will of the people by passing the needed requirements listed in said constitution?

    If so, then supporting a push for this constitutional amendment is not in and of itself against the constitutional spirit because it is doing so through a method set out by the constitution.

    Now, I could perhaps agree with you that it violates the theory behind some portions of the constitution, but even that is questionable as the constitution DID give some rights to the federal government over the state so its hard to say that its against constitutional theory to well...give rights to the government instead of the state.

    All that being said, I am against this amendment and hope it never passes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    The fact that the government can listen into my conversations at any given moment without my consent kinda.... well... bugs the **** out of me.

    One small step, right?
    Problem with facts is they need to be well, facts. The government can't listen to your conversations at "any given moment". And in regards to consent, they could listen into your conversations without your consent since dating back into the 1970's and earlier.
    You down with TPP?

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