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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I'm thinking "internet libertarian" might be a reasonable addition, but it has a lot of similarities with "college libertarian".


    So, basically you don't believe libertarians are just that? There's always some hidden political stance waiting to burst out?
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    So basically you don't think that someone can rationally hold the Libertarian philosophy. In essence, you're defining libertarianism as irrational and reactionary. Interesting.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    I think that it's an irrelevant political ideology, and while it has true believers, far more use it as a convenient tool for ulterior motives.

    I basically will not debate about libertarianism itself; I feel that I don't have to. What I require is that Republican proponents of libertarianism prove that any significant Republican figure in the last 60 years was any less prone towards "big government" then the Democrats.

    That's ultimately my frustration with libertarianism.

    This is the Republican trick:

    Republican A does something very bad.

    Democrat A points this out.

    Public is outraged.

    Republican B explains that Republican A wasn't really a Republican because what he did was "big government", so therefore is against the true ideology of the party.

    Democrat A points out that what he did was the party line until it was discovered to be a terrible idea.

    Republican B calls Democrat A a socialist.

    Repeat FOREVER.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    And that's libertarians fault...or rather as you seem to insinuate, libertarianism purpose? I think that instead, you have a bigotry against libertarians and are basically contriving reasons by which you can just dismiss the whole of it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And that's libertarians fault...or rather as you seem to insinuate, libertarianism purpose? I think that instead, you have a bigotry against libertarians and are basically contriving reasons by which you can just dismiss the whole of it.
    Calm down. What he's saying is valid.

    Unfortunately for what you could call "Real" libertarians.

    But then again, we can't have everything we all want in one leader.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And that's libertarians fault...or rather as you seem to insinuate, libertarianism purpose? I think that instead, you have a bigotry against libertarians and are basically contriving reasons by which you can just dismiss the whole of it.
    Well, the vast majority are basically Republicans.

    But, the other alternative is just as bad.

    The "true believers" are not only the obvious tool of social conservatives but approach politics in an incredibly narcissistic and useless way, often illustrating their naivety.

    A Democrat from a large city has a very serious problem. Drugs, guns, whatever, it doesn't matter.

    The Democrat wants to discuss how to solve the problem. He has various solutions and various processes requiring various funding.

    The Republican doesn't want to pay for it because he'd rather spend money on missiles and doesn't really care about the problem.

    The Libertarian wants to masturbate. He wants to tell everyone how much he loves liberty, which is a very easy thing to do. What's hard is actually solving problems. It's obvious to anyone that the free market absolutely does not always provide a better standard of living or a safer environment for everyone. Both the left and the right agree on this (although they focus on different aspects of the markets failings). The libertarian will argue that those failings are not failings- they're "natural" or that it's somehow heroic to burden them in the name of a "free society".

    This is a very easy thing to say from the safety of libertarian Montana or behind a bourgeoisie computer screen at college.

    However, the reality on the street, is that my actual existence is put in jeopardy everyday so that ideologues can entertain their fantasies about being able to overthrow a government that has stealth bombers with handguns and sawed-off shotguns.

    Because they don't care about reality they care about entertaining their obsessive ideology.
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    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Well, the vast majority are basically Republicans.

    But, the other alternative is just as bad.

    The "true believers" are not only the obvious tool of social conservatives but approach politics in an incredibly narcissistic and useless way, often illustrating their naivety.

    A Democrat from a large city has a very serious problem. Drugs, guns, whatever, it doesn't matter.

    The Democrat wants to discuss how to solve the problem. He has various solutions and various processes requiring various funding.

    The Republican doesn't want to pay for it because he'd rather spend money on missiles and doesn't really care about the problem.

    The Libertarian wants to masturbate. He wants to tell everyone how much he loves liberty, which is a very easy thing to do. What's hard is actually solving problems. It's obvious to anyone that the free market absolutely does not always provide a better standard of living or a safer environment for everyone. Both the left and the right agree on this (although they focus on different aspects of the markets failings). The libertarian will argue that those failings are not failings- they're "natural" or that it's somehow heroic to burden them in the name of a "free society".

    This is a very easy thing to say from the safety of libertarian Montana or behind a bourgeoisie computer screen at college.

    However, the reality on the street, is that my actual existence is put in jeopardy everyday so that ideologues can entertain their fantasies about being able to overthrow a government that has stealth bombers with handguns and sawed-off shotguns.

    Because they don't care about reality they care about entertaining their obsessive ideology.
    Another topic and I'd be more than happy to go there with you.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Here's the problem with Libertarians:

    They obsess over stupid bull**** like Rudy Ridge and Waco.

    Philadelphia has the equivalent of about four Wacos every year. Adjusted for population (using Philly as a base) places like Baltimore and Detroit have a Waco about once every two weeks.

    But libertarians don't care about that, because there's no heroic resistors or evil ATF. Because it's REAL LIFE, not a bizarre testosterone fueled reinterpretation of Red Dawn.

    Because they don't care about people or problems, they care about their ideology.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Here's the problem with Libertarians:

    They obsess over stupid bull**** like Rudy Ridge and Waco.

    Philadelphia has the equivalent of about four Wacos every year. Adjusted for population (using Philly as a base) places like Baltimore and Detroit have a Waco about once every two weeks.

    But libertarians don't care about that, because there's no heroic resistors or evil ATF. Because it's REAL LIFE, not a bizarre testosterone fueled reinterpretation of Red Dawn.

    Because they don't care about people or problems, they care about their ideology.
    The same could easily be said about all of the major parties though.

    When it comes down to it, there's good, bad, good actions, bad actions, good thoughts, bad thoughts. All subjective to opinion of course.

    Republicans like to fix problems by ignoring them and seeing where it goes.

    Democrats like to fix problems by attacking irrelevant sources.

    Libertarians have yet to show what they're capable of, so I suppose I would have to wait and see, as would you.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Democrats are absolutely concerned with gun violence- and I'm not going to debate that with you because I will not debate it with people who will turn it into an ideological debate because it's so offensive to me.

    I'm fairly certain that a good number of Republicans find gun violence in large cities emotionally satisfying.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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