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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Its obvious you have Dr. Paul's foreign policy stance muddled; he advocates a humble foreign policy, and no nation building/policing the world.
    Humble? Is that a new word for ridiculously crazy? In any case I muddled nothing. Those are Ron Paul's own words and in the 21st century they're not exactly humble but a sign of somebody who simply doesn't understand that it is in our best interests to be in as much touch with the rest of the world as possible in everything from technological to military matters.

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    The founders were absolutely right: stay out of the internal affairs of foreign nations, mind our own business, bring our troops home, and have a strong defense.
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    "I support this notion of protecting sovereignty by getting out of the United Nations,"
    Sorry. But pulling out of NATO and the UN is simply not 'humble' foreign policy.

    He is not the isolationist you make him out to be. Would you consider France or Germany's foreign policy isolationist?
    Aren't France and Germany members of NATO, EU, G8, UN etc etc? Your argument fails. If anything pretty much EVERY European nation is the exact opposite of the 'mind our own business' stance that Ron Paul takes. You fail. Hard.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There is difference between being inspired by the ideas a person espouses and being inspired by the way they talk and act. The mass euphoria surrounding Barak Obama had absolutely no substance whatsoever. It was simply the result of a love-struck media and a big steaming pile of populist rhetoric.

    Ron Paul's supporters were excited about him because he represented actual change and talked specifically about how to bring about that change. We appreciate what he represents, not the manner in which he presents it. Ron Paul is last guy who could be called eloquent or graceful, so the fact that he has such an excited base speaks to the substance of his positions.
    Messiah talk was in reference to his prophecy of somebody, in some future, being inspire by Ron Paul and coming along to save this country like an irrelevant Knight in shinny armor. It simply won't happen because America has NEVER espoused the beliefs of Ron Paul. Not even close.

    Do you understand the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism?
    Non-interventionism :

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    Nonintervention or non-interventionism is a foreign policy which holds that political rulers should avoid alliances with other nations and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial self-defense. A similar phrase is "strategic independence".[1]

    Isolationism is nonintervention combined with economic nationalism (protectionism). Proponents of non-interventionism distinguish their polices from isolationism. Examples of supporters of non-interventionism are Presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, who both favored nonintervention in European Wars while maintaining free trade. Other proponents includes United States Senator Robert Taft and United States Congressman Ron Paul.
    So aside from his stances on the economy. Ron Paul is an Isolationist. Any questions?
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Humble? Is that a new word for ridiculously crazy? In any case I muddled nothing. Those are Ron Paul's own words and in the 21st century they're not exactly humble but a sign of somebody who simply doesn't understand that it is in our best interests to be in as much touch with the rest of the world as possible in everything from technological to military matters.

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    Sorry. But pulling out of NATO and the UN is simply not 'humble' foreign policy.



    Aren't France and Germany members of NATO, EU, G8, UN etc etc? Your argument fails. If anything pretty much EVERY European nation is the exact opposite of the 'mind our own business' stance that Ron Paul takes. You fail. Hard.
    By removing ourselves from these alliances we can set ourselves up as neutral and possibly open the doors of free trade with any country that wants to.

    we could have zero import barriers with many of the countries that don't like us now.

    In effect they would be to greedy to oppose us.
    They would probably not want to screw with their largest trading partner.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Messiah talk was in reference to his prophecy of somebody, in some future, being inspire by Ron Paul and coming along to save this country like an irrelevant Knight in shinny armor. It simply won't happen because America has NEVER espoused the beliefs of Ron Paul. Not even close.



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    So aside from his stances on the economy. Ron Paul is an Isolationist. Any questions?
    For the record I disagree with his stance on protectionism.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    By removing ourselves from these alliances we can set ourselves up as neutral and possibly open the doors of free trade with any country that wants to.
    We'd also lose agreements to share technological advancements in pretty much every field from agriculture to medicine, war-time alliances etc.

    we could have zero import barriers with many of the countries that don't like us now.

    In effect they would be to greedy to oppose us.
    They would probably not want to screw with their largest trading partner.
    Meaning what exactly? If the only thing Libertarians care about are what they believe are the downsides to our current economic foreign policy then they're essentially ignoring ALL the other reasons we're members of groups like the UN and NATO.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We'd also lose agreements to share technological advancements in pretty much every field from agriculture to medicine, war-time alliances etc.
    You mean sold here right. Most of these things are sold to us through businesses. If someone has something valuable to sell to someone in the u.s.a. then they will buy it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Meaning what exactly? If the only thing Libertarians care about are what they believe are the downsides to our current economic foreign policy then they're essentially ignoring ALL the other reasons we're members of groups like the UN and NATO.
    I'm not ignoring them. Outside of war though what are these alliances worth?
    If we are the worlds best trading partner why would the world let us die?
    I recognize the downsides of life. If we were a true free market I understand that the economy would not be forever shooting upward.

    On the flip side of that I do know that the vast recessions and booms we face now would not be severe in a free market.
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post


    Ron Paul.
    When we need someone to explain the subtle nuances behind Philadelphia’s homosexual scene you'll be the first person we call...

    Messiah talk was in reference to his prophecy of somebody, in some future, being inspire by Ron Paul and coming along to save this country like an irrelevant Knight in shinny armor. It simply won't happen because America has NEVER espoused the beliefs of Ron Paul. Not even close.
    Do you remember a little thing called the American Revolution? It was a trifling matter, I know, but most of what Ron Paul advocates has its origins in our country's birth.

    Isolationism is nonintervention combined with economic nationalism(protectionism). Proponents of non-interventionism distinguish their polices from isolationism. Examples of supporters of non-interventionism are Presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, who both favored nonintervention in European Wars while maintaining free trade. Other proponents includes United States Senator Robert Taft and United States Congressman Ron Paul.

    So aside from his stances on the economy. Ron Paul is an Isolationist. Any questions?
    That's like saying, aside from his stance on _________, Obama is a black nationalist. In order to be classified as an isolationist Ron Paul must have espoused a policy which meets all the prerequisites of that definition, not a mere portion of it.

    Ron Paul believes in free-trade (which immediately disqualifies him as an isolationist), a strong national defense, and effective diplomacy. And yes, I do have a question; what is so important about being a member of NATO and the UN?

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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You mean sold here right. Most of these things are sold to us through businesses. If someone has something valuable to sell to someone in the u.s.a. then they will buy it.
    Sold? Most countries come over to America to work on technology and share what they know in exchange for what we know. From medical institutions in America that have agreements with others in the world outside, because of groups like the UN, to our intelligence agencies getting information from other intelligence groups on terrorist threats.

    I'm not ignoring them. Outside of war though what are these alliances worth?
    When are we not at war?

    If we are the worlds best trading partner why would the world let us die?
    How much of the world do you think would be as willing to trade if we pulled out of the UN? Seriously?

    I recognize the downsides of life. If we were a true free market I understand that the economy would not be forever shooting upward.

    On the flip side of that I do know that the vast recessions and booms we face now would not be severe in a free market.
    What?
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Humble? Is that a new word for ridiculously crazy? In any case I muddled nothing. Those are Ron Paul's own words and in the 21st century they're not exactly humble but a sign of somebody who simply doesn't understand that it is in our best interests to be in as much touch with the rest of the world as possible in everything from technological to military matters.
    I see...

    What is the point of the NATO alliance? Why was it created, and why does it still exist? If your answer is "it makes America stronger", then you that is one hefty assumption: deterrence does not create enemies...


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sorry. But pulling out of NATO and the UN is simply not 'humble' foreign policy.

    OPINION and nothing more...


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Aren't France and Germany members of NATO, EU, G8, UN etc etc? Your argument fails. If anything pretty much EVERY European nation is the exact opposite of the 'mind our own business' stance that Ron Paul takes. You fail. Hard.

    What is the point of an international organization that has very little maneuverability in terms of policy implementation? The UN functions at the pace of the Big 5, and acts as nothing more than a formality, rarely easing political tension. Suffice to say, the UN has proved itself irrelevant...

    The deterrence theory you seem to subscribe to has only brought America enemies, and has led to military buildup to escalate throughout the world. Our overall safety is actually reduced as more and more states develop nuclear weapons, which begs me to ask, how is military buildup any different? If anything, arms races are a self fulfilling prophecy, as full scale war becomes reality.

    You have proved your understanding of Dr. Paul's ideas on foreign policy is non existent...
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    Re: Is Ron Paul Insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    According to some, Ron Paul is apparently insane. In fact, in this month alone I have heard at least three people refer to him or his policies (although they frequently fail to specificy which ones) as crazy. So, my question to you is, "Is Ron Paul insane?" If so, what has he done to lead you to such a moronic and preposterous conclusion? Moreover, what specific policies of his do you find to be insane and why? Please, refrain from citing his policies as you remember them, instead, quote him directly and progress logically from there.
    I see him as an idealist. A very impractical idealist.
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