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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    It in no way suggests that I blame the American people. I would never do that. I see them as the victims here. I attribute the greatest scam in U.S. history to the news media, and to a lesser degree, Republicans, for inadequately fighting back.
    What makes you think the American people victimized themselves?

    The options were presented. After 8 years of GWB what makes you think Americans want another elected official as easy to pick apart and face-palm at?

    Unfortunately the GOP picked ****ty candidates. That's what that all boils down to.
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Obama was an excellent speaker (for the most part) he was able to gain a pass from the American people.
    Because he was given a pass by the news media, sure, hence my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Biden is old news. He's always been a loud mouth bully.
    He's a perpetual gaffe machine. He, like Obama, has made racial statements that would see any non-Democrat railroaded from office and once told a man in a wheelchair to stand up and be recognized. He's by far, the easiest target for ridicule among the candidates.

    So no, your excuse here doesn't fly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Palin was relatively new meat to the general public eye. It made her more appealing to pick apart.
    Obama was new meat. Sorry, try again.

    The difference is that Sarah Palin was a threat to Democrat power.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner (paraphrasing James Bovard).

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    What makes you think the American people victimized themselves?
    How is the news media systematically misinforming Americans into voting for someone they disagree with on nearly everything a case of the American people victimizing themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    The options were presented.
    The options were distorted, wildly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    After 8 years of GWB what makes you think Americans want another elected official as easy to pick apart and face-palm at?
    Anyone is easy to pick apart when you propagandize against them relentlessly. With an iota or two of balanced coverage, this would have been an entirely different race. Even if McCain had not won, he would've gotten more than a mere 48% of the vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Unfortunately the GOP picked ****ty candidates. That's what that all boils down to.
    Well, that and relentless partisan propaganda from people pretending to deliver legitimate political news, sure.
    Last edited by aquapub; 01-25-09 at 05:18 PM.
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    It's easy to blame the media.

    Just remember, the media broadcasts what will bring them the best ratings.

    Obama was new to the scene, so was Palin. The difference? Obama was a smoothe speaker. Palin was not.

    You are putting way too much effort into making it look like the media is the only thing that effects peoples opinions.

    People liked to watch Palin blunder. So, the media delivered, we ate it up. End of story.
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    It's easy to blame the media.
    Especially since they're at fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Just remember, the media broadcasts what will bring them the best ratings.


    Wrong. If that were the case, they would have covered a Democratic presidential candidate (Edwards) knocking up his mistress. In 10 months, they ran a couple dozen stories on John Edwards cheating on his wife while preaching about family values and dragging her around the country for pity votes as she fought cancer.

    Yet in the first five days after word got out that Sarah Palin's daughter was pregnant, there were almost 1,000 stories.

    The media cover what will get them ratings at the expense of conservatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Obama was new to the scene, so was Palin. The difference? Obama was a smoothe speaker. Palin was not.
    She was smooth anytime she was asked questions remotely similar to the ones Obama got.

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    You are putting way too much effort into making it look like the media is the only thing that effects peoples opinions.
    When they're burying one entire side of the story, yes, they become omnipresent.

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    People liked to watch Palin blunder. So, the media delivered, we ate it up. End of story.
    Overwhelmingly, people thought the media was trying to destroy Sarah Palin, according to the polls. They were not rooting the media on. They were disgusted.

    And again, if Obama had received anywhere near the same coverage, people would've seen the non-stop blunders those of us saw who worked around the media to get multiple sides of the story. He is a programmed Saul Alinsky Manchurian candidate with no clue how to govern.
    Last edited by aquapub; 01-25-09 at 07:54 PM.
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Actually, the joke here is liberals pretending to be something other than the most notoriously historically ignorant people on the planet.

    From my book:

    "Rexford Tugwell, a crucial figure in FDRs New Deal, even admitted that 'practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started.'

    Claremont Institute. 'Debating the New Deal.'
    So your point is even if the Republican got elected he would have done FDR's scam. And of course he would have. Nobody cares about the right wing view when 1 out of 4 are starving.

    Which is why the whole question is irrelevant. Even if do nothing laissez-faire would have worked better (which is entirely academic), no libertarian would have had any chance at power since poor people can vote too.
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What was odd about FDR is that traditionally democrats had been against big federal government. FDR blew that out of the water though.
    Very true, though keep in mind this was also the time when the Democrats controlled the Southern white vote, something that seems incomprehensible today.

    There is a big communication problem where Democrats and Republicans are on the political scale.

    Democrats are more like bottom up socialists where as Republicans are top down socialists.
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Don't you find it slightly curious that the depression which saw the most government intervention lasted longer than any other depression in American history?
    There were longer.

    Don't you find it curious we haven't had a depression since?

    Research the depression of 1921 (I believe that was the year). It saw very little government intervention and lasted only one year. The Great Depression, however, was typified by massive government intervention and lasted roughly a decade; that is until WWII shocked our economy into recovery, which, consequently, provided a convenient mask for FDR's economic buffoonery.
    Are you talking about the war effort as economic buffoonery? I agree that the ban on strikes was pretty horrible, but, well, we won and production skyrocketed across the board.

    The idea that government officials can properly "manage" something as large, as complex, and dynamic as a country's economy is beyond laughable. No matter how many times history has proven this underlying concept to be a complete and abject failure it continues to persist like some incurable virus. Get the government out of our economy and our lives and we'll be just fine. It's about time for Americans to come out from under mommy's skirt...
    And if this "Let them eat cake" attitude is what the incoming President FDR had said he would have been overthrown by the people. The economy was just slowing down, it was shrinking at over 10%. The largest drought had hit this country that we've known, uprooting hundreds of thousands of farmers (not to mention that food prices had fallen incredibly fast) who needed to provide for their families.

    I don't think FDR did that bad of a job:



    Now, in 1937 a recesion hit, but luckily FDR was able to get a $5b stimulus plan passed in order to put that in the rear view mirror.

    Also, while everyone else can dis on FDR's actions, nobody talks about what has stood since the Depression, from Hoover Dam to the TVA we gained a lot more from that period than a lot of prosperous times.
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    So your point is even if the Republican got elected he would have done FDR's scam.
    Not quite. Republicans, if history is any indication, would have expanded the nanny state at about 55 mph. Democrats do it at 95 mph, while claiming to be champions of the Constitution. With Democrats, it's actually a scam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    And of course he would have. Nobody cares about the right wing view when 1 out of 4 are starving.


    Thank you for demonstrating my point about liberals being completely historically ignorant. After years of Hoover enacting liberal policies and wildly expanding the nanny state, our economy collapsed. The same inadequately Republican leader who caused the Great Depression by being too liberal would've used the same shortsighted big government approach to try and fix the problem he created, deepening and prolonging the Depression, just like FDR did.

    Liberal policies simply don't work, as we've seen yet again almost a hundred years later with Democrat-created $4/gallon gas and the Democrat Affirmative Action lending policies that destroyed the housing market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Which is why the whole question is irrelevant. Even if do nothing laissez-faire would have worked better (which is entirely academic), no libertarian would have had any chance at power since poor people can vote too.
    It is not academic at all. History has repeatedly proven that liberal policies don't work. And no, just because poor people are always going to vote in favor of trampling the Constitution to redistribute the wealth from those who earn it to those who won't lift a finger for their own station in life doesn't mean that trampling the Constitution was inevitable. Proper vigilance by the other two branches can always put the power grabs of the one trying to trample the Constitution in check.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner (paraphrasing James Bovard).

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