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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    FDR was one of the most treasonous presidents we've ever had the misfortune of having in office. He blackmailed the SCOTUS to pass his unconstitutional plans, he put us in a state of emergency which authorized the government with power it shouldn't have had and which to this day has not been canceled. And all this talk about how he got us out of the depression, well that has more to do with WW II than anything else. People tend to look at FDR with rose colored glasses and forgive all that he has done to destroy the chains of the Constitution and bring ruin to the Republic. Instead, having firmly set us down the path not of republic, but of oligopoly. Obama I fear is of the same cloth, and we must watch his every move. Well that's true of government as a whole; but Obama can not be trusted. Chicago politicians are the scariest of them all.

    I suggest some people read The Roosevelt Myth, it's a really good and objective look at FDR's presidency.
    Treason? Hogwash.
    It was the Supreme Court which won its confrontation with FDR, not the other way around.
    Our economic recovery was underway long before WWII.
    And the rest of your post just descends into more silliness which I won't even address.

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloDollyLlama View Post
    Treason? Hogwash.
    It was the Supreme Court which won its confrontation with FDR, not the other way around.
    Our economic recovery was underway long before WWII.
    And the rest of your post just descends into more silliness which I won't even address.
    Dismissal.

    FDR first tried to get his plan through. The SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional. FDR threatened to pack the court (as the number of justices on the SCOTUS isn't set, it just can't go down) till he put enough people on there that would back his plan as to get it through the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS succumbed to the threat and allowed his plans to go through. Our economic recovery did not take off, unemployment wasn't seriously addressed, until the start of WW II. I suggest you go back and learn some history.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Dismissal.

    ... Our economic recovery did not take off, unemployment wasn't seriously addressed, until the start of WW II. I suggest you go back and learn some history.
    That's just not true. The Economy improved after the New Deal. In one year after passage (1933-34) of the ND, the GDP grew 10% and unemployment fell to 21.7% Compensation from before World War I through the Great Depression

    Those trends continued until 1938 when FDR adopted 'conservative' actions to balance the budget. Then the progress hit a snag.

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Dismissal.

    FDR first tried to get his plan through. The SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional. FDR threatened to pack the court (as the number of justices on the SCOTUS isn't set, it just can't go down) till he put enough people on there that would back his plan as to get it through the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS succumbed to the threat and allowed his plans to go through. Our economic recovery did not take off, unemployment wasn't seriously addressed, until the start of WW II. I suggest you go back and learn some history.
    You're factually inaccurate again. Sorry!

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloDollyLlama View Post
    You're factually inaccurate again. Sorry!
    Go read a history book.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    That's just not true. The Economy improved after the New Deal. In one year after passage (1933-34) of the ND, the GDP grew 10% and unemployment fell to 21.7% Compensation from before World War I through the Great Depression

    Those trends continued until 1938 when FDR adopted 'conservative' actions to balance the budget. Then the progress hit a snag.
    And it was WW II which brought us out of the Great Depression. The New Deal, no matter how unconstitutional, had affects as well as time to bring us up. But it was WW II which had the greatest impact.

    The Depression continued with decreasing effect until the U.S. entered the Second World War. Under the special circumstances of war mobilization, massive war spending doubled the GNP (Gross National Product)[44] Civilian unemployment was reduced from 14% in 1940 to less than 2% in 1943 as the labor force grew by ten million. Millions of farmers left marginal operations, students quit school, and housewives joined the labor force. The effect continued into 1946, the first postwar year, where federal spending remained high at $62 billion (30% of GNP).

    The emphasis was for war supplies as soon as possible, regardless of cost and efficiencies. Industry quickly absorbed the slack in the labor force, and the tables turned such that employers needed to actively and aggressively recruit workers. As the military grew new labor sources were needed to replace the 12 million men serving in the military. These events magnified the role of the federal government in the national economy. In 1929, federal expenditures accounted for only 3% of GNP. Between 1933 and 1939, federal expenditure tripled, but the national debt as percent of GNP hardly changed. However, spending on the New Deal was far smaller than spending on the war effort, which passed 40% of GNP in 1944. The war economy grew so fast after deemphasizing free enterprise and imposing strict controls on prices and wages, as a result of government/business cooperation, with government subsidizing business, directly and indirectly.

    A major result of the full employment at high wages was a sharp, permanent decrease in the level of income inequality. The gap between rich and poor narrowed dramatically in the area of nutrition, because food rationing and price controls provided a reasonably priced diet to everyone. White collar workers did not typically receive overtime thus the gap between white collar and blue collar income narrowed. Large families that had been poor during the 1930s had four or more wage earners, and these families shot to the top one-third income bracket. Overtime provided large paychecks in war industries.
    New Deal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloDollyLlama View Post
    You're factually inaccurate again. Sorry!
    Do you have anything to back up your claims?
    From the ashes.

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And it was WW II which brought us out of the Great Depression. The New Deal, no matter how unconstitutional, had affects as well as time to bring us up. But it was WW II which had the greatest impact.
    The country was already headed in the direction of recovery thanks to the New Deal policies initiated by FDR. Thereís no doubt the War made the recovery occur much faster.

    When FDR had the new deal passed in 1932, the 1932-33 unemployment rate was 23.6-24.9%. When WWII started 1941-42 the unemployment rate was 9.9-4.7%.

    How is that not a vindication of the FDRís new deal?

    Now letís look at the gross national product in those years as well. GNP before and after the New Deal in 1932:

    Table 2:1929 1931 1933 1937 1938 1940
    Real GNP 101.4 84.3 68.3 103.9 103.7 113.0
    in 1929 dollars
    (Please match up the #s with the years)
    New Deal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How is that kind of progress not a defense of the efficacy of the New Deal for pulling us out of the Depression?

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    We had begun to rebound after the Great Depression started, but we weren't out of it at the start of WW II. Civil unemployment was still at 14% in 1940, and while the GDP had begun to come back up there were many factors including FDRs New Deal. When WW II broke out, most of the New Deal was put on hold to funnel money into the military effort. It was the military industrialization which skyrocketed our GDP and plunged our unemployment to under 2%; and it was that which put an end to the Great Depression.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama to Repeat FDR's Scam

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    This visionary column by Dick Morris hits the nail on the head:

    TheHill.com

    As Obama uses the recession to justify wildly expanding the nanny state-to European proportions-under the guise of "recovery," while the policies he enacts actually drag it out and worsen it, he will fundamentally weaken the US and cripple its economy, permanently, with irreversible welfare programs, as FDR did with things like Social Security.

    He will also use this insane government expansion to stack the deck for generations against those who prefer individuality, personal responsibility, and self-reliance to nanny state welfare programs and no right to choose.

    And like FDR, for his assault on America, Obama will be revered-at least by all who control the flow of information in this country. And the free market enabling this country to still inch its way towards recovery despite liberal policies will be misrepresented for all time as liberals fixing Republican policy failures.

    So the question is, will America be the least bit distinguishable from the stagnant, mediocre economies of Europe, with their double-digit unemployment rates and government-run everything by the time this charismatic serpent is done smiling his way past our common sense?
    Morris is a piece of work and we need to pay attention to him as much as we need to pay attention to Bush or Rush. Not, Nil, No. He works for big corporations who were the puppet masters of Bush.

    Would one trust Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin? then for forget Morris.

    We are leaving a government which has record high spending and record high borrowing, We could feed and house most of America each month for the cost of what Bush borrowed and spent. We are sagging under Bush's debt and you try to shift the problem to Obama. Obama is human, but at least wait and see before you attack. I know the Right Wingers are looking to attack when there is no reason to attack.

    At least under Bush, the Left winger, had real reasons to attack Bush. He earned every big and little attack by his own terrible actions.

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