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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That makes Batman better. He can be foiled in all of the ways you could foil an ordinary person. With Superman the storyline is so predictable: Villain does something bad, Superman goes to the rescue, Villain does something with kryptonite to stop him, Superman suddenly discovers a new superpower to overcome it, and everyone lives happily ever after.



    That makes him better.
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Other. Punisher is a better hero. The whole heroes don't kill bad guys because it will make them like the bad guys is a load of crap made up by comic book writers so that they won't have to come up with new villains. Think about the comic book cliche where sometime after being caught by the hero the bad guy escapes prison or escapes from some mental institution and winds up killing more innocent people. Any decent hero would simply execute the criminal. When the batman comics first started out Batman killed criminals and felt no remorse over killing or maiming criminals and was not above using firearms. When the superman comics first started superman didn't care if tossing criminals resulted in their fatalities.
    Absolutely, this is especially true of Batman and Joker. How many times has Batman captured Joker, put him in Arkham Asylum, only to have him escape and kill lots of people? Batman is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people for not putting Joker down like the rabid dog that he is.

    That's one of the reasons that DC sucks so badly.
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That makes Batman better. He can be foiled in all of the ways you could foil an ordinary person. With Superman the storyline is so predictable: Villain does something bad, Superman goes to the rescue, Villain does something with kryptonite to stop him, Superman suddenly discovers a new superpower to overcome it, and everyone lives happily ever after.
    Unfortunately, that's how the entire DC universe works. Hero beats up bad guys. They throw a bigger, badder bad guy at hero. Hero has to dig deep and come up with a new power to beat baddie. Hero becomes more powerful. Lather, rinse, repeat until hero is so powerful that nobody stands a chance, then DC reboots the universe, resets everyone back to starting position and does it all over again.

    Blah.
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unfortunately, that's how the entire DC universe works. Hero beats up bad guys. They throw a bigger, badder bad guy at hero. Hero has to dig deep and come up with a new power to beat baddie. Hero becomes more powerful. Lather, rinse, repeat until hero is so powerful that nobody stands a chance, then DC reboots the universe, resets everyone back to starting position and does it all over again.

    Blah.
    Yea this crap is getting annoying - and I'm not even the comic-reading guy, I just watch the movies (but I turned down "superman", the movie, its just too much for me, it looked dumb)
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    But doesn't a hero need to have that one specific weakness?
    With Superman it's obviously kryptonite...but with Batman, he's a regular guy, with no specific weakness.

    And for that matter batman is too human, he's not even a "SUPER hero"
    Yeah, but what kind of pansy is able to do pretty much anything, but is scared of rocks?

    Batman is way cooler than Superman because of the fact that ihe isn't a"super" hero. He's a badass through hard work and determination, not because of the color of the sun.

    Spidey is the coolest because, although he has super powers, he is usually still physically weaker than his opponents. Half of his skill is derived from his natural super-smarts (soemthing they totally screwed the pooch on in the movies was making his webbing a superpower instead of his own brilliant creation as was done in the comics)

    Aside from some characters like Batman, DC heros are usually just physically imposing without any brains. Batman is the exception. But even Batman can only exist becaue of he has gobs of money.

    Marvel rocks because they understand their target demographic: Geeks. They made many of their most popular characters be nerds as well. Reed Richards, Peter Parker, and Bruce Banner are all great examples of super-nerds becoming superheros.

    These nerds often get their superpowers because of their nerd status. They got their powers form science experiments gone wrong and ****.

    They have intelligence to go along with their powers.

    It makes the comic book nerd feel as though every nerd can bang a supermodel like Peter Parker, or a hot blonde like Reed Richards, or can have extreme power hidden deep within themselves as Bruce Banner did.

    Marvel didn't simply focus on being "super" like DC did, they added character devolpment designed to appeals specifically to the people who consumed their product.

    DC, on the other hand, creates a super-dude who only pretends to be a nerd (Superman) because being a nerd is a great way to hide how cool you really are. That basically makes fun of nerds, as though they are so inconsequential and so unoticable that if only they took off their glasses and removed the pocket protector, they'd be a whole new super-cool guy that nobody would recognize because the nerd persona was so irrelevant.

    In essence, Superman stopped being a nerd when he was being super.

    Whereas, for Spidey et al the "secret" identity was that of the hero, and the REAL identity was that of the nerd (except Reed Richards who had no secret identiy. He was a full-time nerd).

    And with Banner, the super-badass persona was a negative, not a positive. He would always have preffered to remain a nerd, and the super creature was a dumb brute and that made the cool, tough character into a monster, while the nerdy weak character was prefferable. (until later issues when the Gray hulk/Joe Fixit character had banners smart, but very little morality and the combination banner/hulk that combined banners brains and portions of his personality with the two separate hulk identities in order to resolve some serious daddy-issues he had. I stopped colecting comics around that time, so I don't know **** about what happens later)

    But the original take on the Hulk was a very interesting aproach to super-heros, if you ask me.



    Anyway, I always preffered Marvel because of the character devolpment and science-based powers. Batman was one of the few DC titles I also collected because he was by far and away the best DC character.

    Superman is "teh suck" as far as superheros go. He was afraid of rocks, he faked at being a nerd because nerds are so inconsequential in everyday life that nobody noticed him simply because he wore glasses, his worst enemy was a pussy bald guy who had some of those rocks supes was so scared of, and he had no personality whatsoever.
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Tucker,

    Thanks for the crash course in comics

    But seriously, its cool how you break it down, showing the different styles of each comic company...I always thought they were the same...
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    Tucker,

    Thanks for the crash course in comics

    But seriously, its cool how you break it down, showing the different styles of each comic company...I always thought they were the same...
    Totally different. For the most part, Marvel kicks DC's ass.

    Marvel changed a bit in the 70's and 80's to create very cool "anti-hero" characters like the afformentioned Punisher, Wolverine, Ghost Rider etc.

    Every time Marvel put out something cool, DC would scramble to try and match it (Characters like Lobo, etc) but they never pulled it off that well, IMO.

    In the 80's Batman started to kick ass again and stopped being so campy thanks to the likes of Frank Miller and Alan Moore. The Joker was made into a pure psychopath in The Killing Joke, and he was so awesome that it is primarily the foundation on which Ledger's version was built.

    In DC's Defense, the CCA nearly killed Batman. The old-school Batman from the 40's and 50's was cool as hell. Then after the CCA he became a bit of a pansy only to be revived in the 80's as a darker, more menacing hero, almost an anti-hero akin to the Punisher.

    I would say that Batman was the biggest success of DC in altering a character to make him more appealing than the campy "bing zowie powie" crap that caused the old TV show. The new movies reflect that alteration quite well.

    The 80's and 90's also brought a new age to comic books where some really cool stuff came out. Dark Horse comics (stuff like Sin City and Hellboy), Quality Comics (V for Vendetta) and Image Comics (Spawn) as well some other, lesser known, comic companies put out some awesome titles.



    That's about it for me regarding the history of comics. It was about the mid-nineties when I really stopped collecting new titles and started focussing on expanding my current collections.

    P.S. That collection includes a lot of great stuff, like a #1 Amazing Spider-man from 1963 and an Amazing Fantasy #15 (first apearance of Spidey) from 62. A #3 Fantastic Four Pretty much all of the first appearances of most of the major Marvel characters like the Punisher (Amazing Spiderman #129) and the Wolverine (Incredible Hulk #180).

    Unfortunately, many of these are in no better than fair condition.
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Totally different. For the most part, Marvel kicks DC's ass.

    Marvel changed a bit in the 70's and 80's to create very cool "anti-hero" characters like the afformentioned Punisher, Wolverine, Ghost Rider etc.

    Every time Marvel put out something cool, DC would scramble to try and match it (Characters like Lobo, etc) but they never pulled it off that well, IMO.

    In the 80's Batman started to kick ass again and stopped being so campy thanks to the likes of Frank Miller and Alan Moore. The Joker was made into a pure psychopath in The Killing Joke, and he was so awesome that it is primarily the foundation on which Ledger's version was built.

    In DC's Defense, the CCA nearly killed Batman. The old-school Batman from the 40's and 50's was cool as hell. Then after the CCA he became a bit of a pansy only to be revived in the 80's as a darker, more menacing hero, almost an anti-hero akin to the Punisher.

    I would say that Batman was the biggest success of DC in altering a character to make him more appealing than the campy "bing zowie powie" crap that caused the old TV show. The new movies reflect that alteration quite well.

    The 80's and 90's also brought a new age to comic books where some really cool stuff came out. Dark Horse comics (stuff like Sin City and Hellboy), Quality Comics (V for Vendetta) and Image Comics (Spawn) as well some other, lesser known, comic companies put out some awesome titles.



    That's about it for me regarding the history of comics. It was about the mid-nineties when I really stopped collecting new titles and started focussing on expanding my current collections.

    P.S. That collection includes a lot of great stuff, like a #1 Amazing Spider-man from 1963 and an Amazing Fantasy #15 (first apearance of Spidey) from 62. A #3 Fantastic Four Pretty much all of the first appearances of most of the major Marvel characters like the Punisher (Amazing Spiderman #129) and the Wolverine (Incredible Hulk #180).

    Unfortunately, many of these are in no better than fair condition.
    yuh huh ....
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    yuh huh ....
    Don't mind me, I've gone into "full-on geek mode". It'll pass with time.
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    Re: Superman or Batman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Don't mind me, I've gone into "full-on geek mode". It'll pass with time.
    I understand,
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