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    Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

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    Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
    So now, it is official White House policy to reinstate the AW Ban.

    Seems to me we were told there was no rational reason to express concern for our right to keep and bear arms under the Obama Administration...
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    I have felt there should be a logical gun tracking system in which the registered owner should have to account for all their guns if audited.

    Any gun transaction should be through a background check etc. If a gun gets stolen then it should be the owners responsibility to immediately file it. May not be perfect but it is a start until a better tracking system can be implimented.

    That being said I would never support a gun ban on recreational hunting rifles or self defense handguns to responsible citizens.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I have felt there should be a logical gun tracking system in which the registered owner should have to account for all their guns if audited.
    This is an infringement on the right to arms.

    Any gun transaction should be through a background check etc
    This, too, is an infringement on the right to arms.

    If a gun gets stolen then it should be the owners responsibility to immediately file it.
    Any gun owner with a brain will do this.

    That being said I would never support a gun ban on recreational hunting rifles or self defense handguns to responsible citizens.
    So... what guns -would- you ban?
    Why?
    How is that ban not an infringement on the right to arms?
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    There should never be a tracking system, nor should there be a registry. That sort of stuff can only be used against the People, it's dangerous to allow the government to use it; not when the rights and liberties of the individual are at stake. The criminals aren't going to submit so there's no reason you should infringe upon my rights. Obama will definitely be bad for gun rights...and that assault weapons ban was stupid.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    What I'm trying to reconcile is the idea of conservatives being staunchly "tough on crime" with the idea of preventing police from being able to solve gun crimes. The Tiahrt amendment sounds retarded. If gun "enthusiasts" wanted to gain a bit of credibility in my eyes, they'd do everything in their power to make sure that it was as hard as possible for known felons to gain access to firearms.

    And this is coming from someone who believes we are waaaay overpoliced.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What I'm trying to reconcile is the idea of conservatives being staunchly "tough on crime" with the idea of preventing police from being able to solve gun crimes.
    False premise. Restricting/infrigning the rights of gun owners does nothing to help solve crime, as gun control laws do not affect the people that commit most crimes -- that is, criminals.

    If gun "enthusiasts" wanted to gain a bit of credibility in my eyes, they'd do everything in their power to make sure that it was as hard as possible for known felons to gain access to firearms.
    Felons are already denied legal access to a firearm -- they are banned from owning them. If you have a suggestion for a loaw that will keep them from getting guns and doesnt infringe on the rights of the law abiding, I'm all ears.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Well, look, I'm fully familiar with the "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" argument, and to a large degree it makes enough sense to me. Also, I'm not really in the mood to debate whether the Tiahrt amendment did or did not stymie police efforts to solve gun crimes. I'm also not going to get into the whole assault rifle thing as that one is way above my pay grade. What isn't immediately apparent to me is how any of this hampers your ability to own guns.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    I am firmly against the "assualt weapons" ban for a multitude of reasons, not all of which simply pertain to the 2nd amendment.

    As far as childproofing guns, that is the parents job. If they have young children, then they should also have a gunsafe and a trigger lock. If they don't do this, that sucks, but it isn't the govenremnt's job to make sure that they do it.

    As far as registering guns, it should be voluntary and like Goobieman said, any gun owner with hlf a brain would file a criminal report when their gun is stolen and they should supply the police with any serial numbers for that weapon that they have. It should not be forced upon them though. If they choose not to do this, it is because they are stupid, which isn't and should not be against the law.

    I am in favor of the local jusridictions having the right to regulate the sale of guns, at gun shows and such. They can create any laws that they see fit, so long as it doesn't infringe on ownership of the weapon, and only regulates the sales of weapons.

    If Chicago wants to ban the sale of "assualt weapons" within city limits, they are free to do so, but if a store owner violates said law, and sells such a weapon, no harm may come to the purchaser of that weapon, because what they did should not be construed as a crime since they are simply excersing their right to bear arms.

    The problem is that no federal law can ban weapons, IMO. This is CLEARLY a vilation of the 2nd ammendment, and the state's right to have a well regulated militia.

    That wording seems to dictate that the state does have a right to regulate their militia as they see fit, IMO, so long as it does not infringe on the personal rigt to bear arms.

    This means that the state should have a right to regulate sales and such, IMO. As well as pass laws that may require a certan degree of regulation of guns such as those regarding background checks.

    These can only be state by state ordinances, and not federal ordinances, by the way I feel the 2nd was intended shown by the choice of the words" well regulated militia".

    To me this implies that the states have a right to regulate guns so long as they allow the right to bear arms for those deemed qualified for militia duty.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What isn't immediately apparent to me is how any of this hampers your ability to own guns.
    To keep and bear arms is a right. I don't have to get the government's permission to exercise it. I don't need background checks, I don't need to register, I don't need to be tracked. The government can **** off if they think they have the rightful power to infringe upon the exercise of my rights.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
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    So now, it is official White House policy to reinstate the AW Ban.

    Seems to me we were told there was no rational reason to express concern for our right to keep and bear arms under the Obama Administration...
    Yeah...because a ban on assault weapons sooooo infringes on your ability to have hunting rifles or even handguns in your home....
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