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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What isn't immediately apparent to me is how any of this hampers your ability to own guns.
    Banning a class of guns, such as 'assault weapons' creates a restriction on the right to arms that is not inherent to that right. This is an infringement. 'Assault weapons' are class of weapons that fall under the definition of 'arms' as the term is used in the 2nd, and so our right to keep and bear them is protected by same.

    You could argue that 'you can still own guns even is 'assault weapons' are banned. The obvious parallel to this is to argue that banning speech that criticizes the Preaident doesnt violate your 1st amendment rights because you can still criticize all the other parts of the government -- something I'm sure you'd disagree with.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yeah...because a ban on assault weapons sooooo infringes on your ability to have hunting rifles or even handguns in your home....
    It infringes upon my rights to have an "assault weapons".
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yeah...because a ban on assault weapons sooooo infringes on your ability to have hunting rifles or even handguns in your home
    How prophetic of me.

    You can argue that 'you can still own guns even is 'assault weapons' are banned if you want. However, the obvious parallel to this is to then argue that banning speech that criticizes the President doesnt violate your 1st amendment right to free speech because you can still criticize all the other parts of the government -- something I'm sure you'd disagree with.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Banning a class of guns, such as 'assault weapons' creates a restriction on the right to arms that is not inherent to that right. This is an infringement. 'Assault weapons' are class of weapons that fall under the definition of 'arms' as the term is used in the 2nd, and so our right to keep and bear them is protected by same.

    You could argue that 'you can still own guns even is 'assault weapons' are banned. The obvious parallel to this is to argue that banning speech that criticizes the Preaident doesnt violate your 1st amendment rights because you can still criticize all the other parts of the government -- something I'm sure you'd disagree with.
    No....a better comparison would be on banning speech that could start a riot...the right to free speech is not absolute....nor is the right to bear arms.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It infringes upon my rights to have an "assault weapons".
    "assault weapons" are a myth. That ban was a joke (but it is no laughing matter).

    It only sought (and seeks) to demonize certain weapons for political reasons.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No....a better comparison would be on banning speech that could start a riot...the right to free speech is not absolute....nor is the right to bear arms.
    Which is why people cannot personally own Nuclear arms.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    See that is the problem with extremists on all levels. If people would simply take a more moderate approach they would help their cause much more than the extremists who argue that people should be able to have any type of assault weapon, grenade launcher....etc.....
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... what guns -would- you ban?
    Why?
    How is that ban not an infringement on the right to arms?
    Assault rifles able to be loaded with full metal jackets(armer piercing), large magazine clips, and easily manipulated to be converted to fully-automatic.

    What true purpose do they serve?

    I may even be willing to ban any semi-automatic rifle because what true sportsman even wants one?

    But I would never like to see any bans beyond that.

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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    See that is the problem with extremists on all levels. If people would simply take a more moderate approach they would help their cause much more than the extremists who argue that people should be able to have any type of assault weapon, grenade launcher....etc.....
    Assualt weapons are not grenade launchers. And extremist would be arguing that the right to bear arms includes tanks and ****.
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    Re: Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    These can only be state by state ordinances, and not federal ordinances, by the way I feel the 2nd was intended shown by the choice of the words" well regulated militia".

    To me this implies that the states have a right to regulate guns so long as they allow the right to bear arms for those deemed qualified for militia duty.
    I;d argue:
    -The SCouTS has made it clear that the right of the individual, regardless of his connection to the militia, is protected by the 2nd.
    -The 2nd amendment, applied to the states thru the 14th amendment, would prohibit states from violating TRKBA in the same manner as it prohibits the federal government from doing so.

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